FINALLY over 1200 elo the story - Chess Forums - Page 2

newplayer10101

May 9, 2014

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Congratulations, I almost hit 1300 a month back after a total of 4 months since I learned how to play chess. Rating got low because of a ton of resigns I had to do because of life. :/ Congratulations on passing 1200 Hudolommen.

Hudlommen

May 9, 2014

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#22

newplayer10101 wrote:

Congratulations, I almost hit 1300 a month back after a total of 4 months since I learned how to play chess. Rating got low because of a ton of resigns I had to do because of life. :/ Congratulations on passing 1200 Hudolommen.

Thanks, and well played too! I think i lost most games because i play like a blitz player even when i have 25 mins left. But i have learned to control that pretty well by only playing when im in the right mental state :)
See you on the other side of 2000? :D

Hudlommen

May 9, 2014

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#23

LuftWaffles wrote:

I'll say this again: Concepts in KID are too advanced. Keep it simple and you'll learn to play a lot better: Take the center, control it, and use it to win the game.

Any strong player will tell you the same, and it's not for no reason.

the KID is simple, very simple. Maybe not the entire bookline, but the base setup is easy to achive.

Luvrug

May 9, 2014

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#24

Good job i'm trying to get sustainably past 1200. I'll get there for a while then slide back with a few blunderfull games. I'm getting there though!

Karura91

May 9, 2014

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#25

DavidChCh wrote:

Hudlommen wrote:

LuftWaffles wrote:

I'll say this again: Concepts in KID are too advanced. Keep it simple and you'll learn to play a lot better: Take the center, control it, and use it to win the game.

Any strong player will tell you the same, and it's not for no reason.

the KID is simple, very simple. Maybe not the entire bookline, but the base setup is easy to achive.

I'm with LuftWaffles. Playing more classical openings will help you understand chess strategy more quickly. The King's Indian is hypermodern and requires a more subtle understanding to handle properly.

I'm agree with them.

The point is not that low rated player doesn't play well against them, so it is playable, but it is for your general chess improvement and comprehension!

You will learn better and faster with a classical approach. Every chess coach discourage the use of KID when you are still rated under 2000 because the idea behind are too complex.

Playing an opening is not only place your pieces in some squares, but to know midgame plans, endgame, pawn structures and so on. You don't know the KID, you just use its setup. And this is basically wrong.

Since I'm not the only one who is telling you this I won't add anything else, do as you wish.

Best regards.

Hudlommen

May 9, 2014

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#26

Karura91 point taken :) Im not gonna discuss this any further. Ive had fine succes with the KID, all i can argue for.

Or_theBashaKiller

May 9, 2014

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#27

Hudlommen wrote:

Rumo75 wrote:

Hudlommen hat geschrieben:

[...]

Use King's Indian Defense (KID) as black. I can't say if this is the best opening as black always BUT you can force your way into it almost every game no matter what white comes up with. That makes the games more uniforme and waaay easier to learn from down the line. The pieces cover each other nicely from the beginning and you can let white use all his tricks until he runs out of steam and then blunders.

Uh, firstly you can play the KID only against white's d4 and c4. Secondly playing uniformely one piece set-up no matter what is rather good advice if you intend not to improve.

I agree partially. You look at it from a very different prespective. Dont forget i talk about players around maybe 1000 and under. KID is of what i have seen in my games a pretty solid defense against most players, easy to remember and with few variations on your side. I agree that even over 1000 elo you have to think a bit more about what you do, but bellow that point most people just play random moves from their gut feeling, and then sticking to KID as black is a very good idea.

i disagree ... KID is pretty complex opening. you must know some key ideas of the mar del plata variation (bionet attack) and many other variations from white you must know . it's not just play d6-e5 and attack the king , you must know your own weaknesses . i wouldn't call it a solid defense since you basically giving white some great attacking chances (of course you also get great chances) . it's a dynamic defense and i would advice you to learn the basics of KID pawn struct if you want to play it.

Irontiger

May 9, 2014

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#28

Hudlommen wrote:

LuftWaffles wrote:

I'll say this again: Concepts in KID are too advanced. Keep it simple and you'll learn to play a lot better: Take the center, control it, and use it to win the game.

Any strong player will tell you the same, and it's not for no reason.

the KID is simple, very simple. Maybe not the entire bookline, but the base setup is easy to achive.

Putting the pieces on the squares is easy, using them afterwards is harder.

And anyways, even if you end up being more comfortable than your opponents in a very restricted set of positions, it means you are comparatively uncomfortable everywhere else.

Scottrf

May 9, 2014

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#29

Hudlommen wrote:

Karura91 point taken :) Im not gonna discuss this any further. Ive had fine succes with the KID, all i can argue for.

Is 1200 in 2.5 years fine success?

If everyone disagrees maybe there is something in what they're saying?

All your posts seem to be 'maybe it's not the best, but my opponents wont know any better'. That's fundamentally the wrong approach to chess, and the worst way to improve.

Of course, if you're happy, fine. Chess is a game after all.

Hudlommen

May 9, 2014

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#30

To all the high rated (+1800) guys that have posted. Point taken, KID helped me get over 1200, that is all i can say. I will not discuss this anymore since what i am trying to get through is totally missed. You are discussing Premier league tactics in a backyard kids game.

Hudlommen

May 9, 2014

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#31

Scottrf wrote:

Hudlommen wrote:

Karura91 point taken :) Im not gonna discuss this any further. Ive had fine succes with the KID, all i can argue for.

Is 1200 in 2.5 years fine success?

If everyone disagrees maybe there is something in what they're saying?

All your posts seem to be 'maybe it's not the best, but my opponents wont know any better'. That's fundamentally the wrong approach to chess, and the worst way to improve.

Of course, if you're happy, fine. Chess is a game after all.

If you read the hole thing, i picked chess back up in November last year.
The only thing i have said is that i used KID and it worked fine for me. I don't expect people to gather their greater knowledge about chess from my story about how i got over 1200.
And in the end, the time aspect do not matter, it's about the joy of getting back over your starting score. You got through a lot of chess growing and personal chess development to get to that point if you as me once hit 740. Take the story for what it is.

ChipotleJones

May 9, 2014

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#32

Hudlommen wrote:

If you read the hole thing, i picked chess back up in November last year.
The only thing i have said is that i used KID and it worked fine for me. I don't expect people to gather their greater knowledge about chess from my story about how i got over 1200.
And in the end, the time aspect do not matter, it's about the joy of getting back over your starting score. You got through a lot of chess growing and personal chess development to get to that point if you as me once hit 740. Take the story for what it is.

I don't know the King's Indian specifics, but perhaps if you don't take it personally (stronger players here are often curt to the point of rudeness), you might take away some good advice that will help propel you to 1400 and above.

Irontiger

May 9, 2014

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#33

Hudlommen wrote:

(...)The only thing i have said is that i used KID and it worked fine for me. I don't expect people to gather their greater knowledge about chess from my story about how i got over 1200.(...)

Consistency, it matters :

Hudlommen wrote:

(...)

Here is what i can give you:

Use center pawn accepted as white (given that black takes, but work from there) It gives you an easy open center, that can be hard for new players to deal with. You don't have to think too much in crazy pawn moves, so the games are mostly the same and easy to learn from.

Use King's Indian Defense (KID) as black. I can't say if this is the best opening as black always BUT you can force your way into it almost every game no matter what white comes up with. That makes the games more uniforme and waaay easier to learn from down the line. The pieces cover each other nicely from the beginning and you can let white use all his tricks until he runs out of steam and then blunders. I've found that if i could defend to the point past move 25-30, white would have tried so hard to kill me that he would blunder in the end (low low level)
(...)

Hudlommen

May 9, 2014

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#34

ChipotleJones wrote:

Hudlommen wrote:

If you read the hole thing, i picked chess back up in November last year.
The only thing i have said is that i used KID and it worked fine for me. I don't expect people to gather their greater knowledge about chess from my story about how i got over 1200.
And in the end, the time aspect do not matter, it's about the joy of getting back over your starting score. You got through a lot of chess growing and personal chess development to get to that point if you as me once hit 740. Take the story for what it is.

I don't know the King's Indian specifics, but perhaps if you don't take it personally (stronger players here are often curt to the point of rudeness), you might take away some good advice that will help propel you to 1400 and above.

I already did, i also earlier posted that my next goal was to learn more openings and so on. Why i kept arguing was because if what my first point was. I from the beginning has agreed with their points about the opening not being perfect and all. The only thing that i have said was how i felt about KID when i was playing players under 1000. I have at no point taken any of it personally, people just keep discussing something other than what i try to get through :)

Hudlommen

May 9, 2014

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#35

Irontiger wrote:

Hudlommen wrote:

(...)The only thing i have said is that i used KID and it worked fine for me. I don't expect people to gather their greater knowledge about chess from my story about how i got over 1200.(...)

Consistency, it matters :

Hudlommen wrote:

(...)

Here is what i can give you:

Use center pawn accepted as white (given that black takes, but work from there) It gives you an easy open center, that can be hard for new players to deal with. You don't have to think too much in crazy pawn moves, so the games are mostly the same and easy to learn from.

Use King's Indian Defense (KID) as black. I can't say if this is the best opening as black always BUT you can force your way into it almost every game no matter what white comes up with. That makes the games more uniforme and waaay easier to learn from down the line. The pieces cover each other nicely from the beginning and you can let white use all his tricks until he runs out of steam and then blunders. I've found that if i could defend to the point past move 25-30, white would have tried so hard to kill me that he would blunder in the end (low low level)
(...)

I'm not quite sure what you mean. I changed the original post, now nobody will be fooled into using the KID ever again. That opening is deadly :D

MaryandJuana

May 9, 2014

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#36

stuck at around mid 1200s right now. On my other name I'm at 1276 standard. I was on a 9 game win streak. 7 of the players i beat were ranked higher than me. Most were above 1300. I'm evening out now and I'm on somewhat of a slump compared to my recent rise. My next goal is to get over 1300.

Hudlommen

May 9, 2014

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#37

WalhallaRoad wrote:

stuck at around mid 1200s right now. On my other name I'm at 1276 standard. I was on a 9 game win streak. 7 of the players i beat were ranked higher than me. Most were above 1300. I'm evening out now and I'm on somewhat of a slump compared to my recent rise. My next goal is to get over 1300.

If you feel like practising special openings or anything like that, just add me. I need someone to practise against :)

Hudlommen

May 10, 2014

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#38

That also go for anyone else around 1200 :)

Hudlommen

May 13, 2014

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#39

Uuuuh, almost 1500 views. Cmon 5 people!

frjel80

Aug 22, 2015

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#40

seems like you managed to reach 1300++ within 16 months. congrats.