Is CHESS 960 a waste of TIME ?

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bettensmajic

it's up to you !

chesshole

960 is fun

bettensmajic

i think that 2 !

bettensmajic

it's fun !

losingmove

I think it's a waste of time

bettensmajic

ok thank you 4 ure OPINION ! :P

TheArtofWar82

I swear to God - threads like this need to stop showing up if anyone is to take these forums seriously.

bettensmajic

ok mate i will take note of that !!

CoenJones

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LOL undecided face

Ron-Weasley

960 is generally better than regular ches because it eliminates most so called preperation. It changes chess back to what it's supposed to be, a battle of human wits and cleverness rather than homework.

AlxMaster

Ron-Weasley has a point. Chess has a lot of how much preparation you have at home, which makes it like a MMORPG, it's not your skill that matters, but your level up. Having said that, the only difference is that your skill DOES matter. Preparation is just a small fraction of what you need to play well. So it's actually not true as Ron put it.

The reason I dislike chess960 is because it seems too chaotic and less aesthetic than chess. Chess is just beautiful with the traditional starting positions.

Ron-Weasley
AlxMaster wrote:

Ron-Weasley has a point. Chess has a lot of how much preparation you have at home, which makes it like a MMORPG, it's not your skill that matters, but your level up. Having said that, the only difference is that your skill DOES matter. Preparation is just a small fraction of what you need to play well. So it's actually not true as Ron put it.

The reason I dislike chess960 is because it seems too chaotic and less aesthetic than chess. Chess is just beautiful with the traditional starting positions.

Do you ever watch Roman's opening prep videos? He like to prep his students with 25 moves memorization. King;'s indian, Najdork sicilian, ruy lopez, etc are all analyzed with book moved past 20 moves. My opening book is 5 or 6 moves and then I'm playing chess. In corospondance games I'm using an opening database up to move 9 or 10 before I start playing chess. In 960 I'm playing chess from move 1, and I'm a duffer. A lot of people with their pet sicilian dragon play 15+ moves of "preperation" at the class level. That's 15 moves before they even start to play chess. Skill is important of course, but opening memorization has taken a lot of the real cleverness out of it.

TheGreatOogieBoogie
Ron-Weasley wrote:
AlxMaster wrote:

Ron-Weasley has a point. Chess has a lot of how much preparation you have at home, which makes it like a MMORPG, it's not your skill that matters, but your level up. Having said that, the only difference is that your skill DOES matter. Preparation is just a small fraction of what you need to play well. So it's actually not true as Ron put it.

The reason I dislike chess960 is because it seems too chaotic and less aesthetic than chess. Chess is just beautiful with the traditional starting positions.

Do you ever watch Roman's opening prep videos? He like to prep his students with 25 moves memorization. King;'s indian, Najdork sicilian, ruy lopez, etc are all analyzed with book moved past 20 moves. My opening book is 5 or 6 moves and then I'm playing chess. In corospondance games I'm using an opening database up to move 9 or 10 before I start playing chess. In 960 I'm playing chess from move 1, and I'm a duffer. A lot of people with their pet sicilian dragon play 15+ moves of "preperation" at the class level. That's 15 moves before they even start to play chess. Skill is important of course, but opening memorization has taken a lot of the real cleverness out of it.

Ron, have you ever considered playing 1.Nc3 as white?  You are playing "real chess" as you call it from the first move. Can't really think of an equivalent for black though, maybe 1...d6? 

n6elOLIP

@Ron, you are using a database for your correspondence chess??  i understand about loooking at games, and analyzing during the game, but a database?  So, you enter the move you are on, duringthe game, and it gives youthe correct move (if it is similar to the opening line?   

Ron-Weasley
Knight_sky wrote:

@Ron, you are using a database for your correspondence chess??  i understand about loooking at games, and analyzing during the game, but a database?  So, you enter the move you are on, duringthe game, and it gives youthe correct move (if it is similar to the opening line?   

The opening explorer database on chesstempo is what I use, its slightly better than the chess.com database. The one that gives you the odds for various moves in the database of master games. I like to study the opening in the corospondance game, as I can leisurely look at the various lines and see if I like the kind of middle games they lead to.

n6elOLIP

Ron, I am not saying that some would regard that as cheating, but I'm wondering if it is allowed, during a game, or if some would regard it as cheating some.  I suppose the database would/could only be used up to a point in the game, unless both opponents are using the same database and copying the game moves.  Is that allowed?

GSHAPIROY

I hate 960

n6elOLIP

The one good thing about 960 is that I feel that that I'm playing someone who isn't cheating. 

Ron-Weasley
Knight_sky wrote:

Ron, I am not saying that some would regard that as cheating, but I'm wondering if it is allowed, during a game, or if some would regard it as cheating some.  I suppose the database would/could only be used up to a point in the game, unless both opponents are using the same database and copying the game moves.  Is that allowed?

I used to play on chessworld.net and you get links to the chessgames.com  database with the openings you're playing. So I always just assumed that this sort of analysis was the way it was done in a corospondance game, with both sides using all their resources to analyze the position. I've never used a computer, but analysis boards and game databases, yes, so far as I know that's not just allowed but is encouraged. A deep study was the point of corospondance is what I always thought.

n6elOLIP

Thank you so much!  That is what I needed to know, and now have the appropriate answer for when I am accusing of cheating, when I accidentally win a few games!  Good chess to you!