Leaderboards

Where have they gone?

leaderboard has been removed as it does not meet modern social norms and discredits low-ranked players in favor of prioritizing the high-ranked minority. plans to abolish the all ratings and, regardless of the end of games, put a draw

seems fair

this is a joke

Unfortunately multi million pound company chess.com do not have the funds to hire programmers, as they're too busy snorting copious amounts of marching powder, so it was just deemed easier to remove the leaderboards rather than attempt to fix the leaderboard bug which was occasionally causing the servers to crash. 

The Leaderboards were one of the core issues that was causing constant server issues, not just occasionally.  I still don't understand why 2 PC variants had to merge with 4 PC, but that's another story. 

The entire purpose of chess.com/variants was for it to eventually merge with 4PC; in addition they used the same design and were essentially cousins of each other...

The execution was terrible and not well thought out though : P

If there is no leaderboard then it kinda makes the whole rating thing kinda pointless imo.

After they saw your post, they tried to put the Leaderboards back and now the site has been down all day.  

140 standard 4pc games right now, the majority of whom seem new. Chess' popularity is helping us again.

I would rather have the old players we lost, than this new crop players that have 0 Teams experience, and think it's cheating to work with your opposite.  Then again, that was one of the goals behind the changes 

I wasn't trying to make a judgment on that; I just wanted to make what I saw an interesting observation that I feel is useful but not worth a forum post. Besides, it's not either or. 

What is the endgame here? What are you, Radon, luke, and the rest of the active high rated players who have been vocal on this side pushing for?

"cheating to work with your opp" Thats why it shouldn't be called ffa, among other things

So anyway, I assume that the long-term goal is to revert the changes, correct? The problem is, assuming I don't read everything completely wrong, is that this isn't going to happen for a while, if ever. 

So what should we 4pc players do in the meantime? What is best for 4pc during this stretch?

Trying to get back to the mode high-rated players played in 2021 is not necessarily best for 4pc, depending on the action. I'll consider teams. Teams varies fairly considerably based upon the starting position. Regardless, people coming into teams will be playing New standard. Meanwhile, the championship will be in old standard. Does this specific case matter; no. But zoom out. How is teams going to grow if we play two starting positions?

I disagree, agree, and change my mind on various positions on both sides. As you know, I like the League because it provides an avenue for competitive play that is lacking.

However, I worry that the high-rated community is straying from what is objectively best for 4pc, to fight to change 4pc back to what it used to be. However, that is most definitely not necessarily best for the game.

Or maybe it is. But I worry the goal isn't to do what's best, the goal is to change it back.

Anyway, that is my thoughts on it to some extent. I am slightly pessimistic on the direction of 4pc overall, as I assume most people here are. I feel bad repeating what you disagreed with, but it is a silver lining; 4pc does have a large untapped player base, though you are correct that doesn't change these issues.

(A question that doesn't matter a whole lot, and isn't relevant, but I am curious, so I might as well ask you it here. Will there be a way to see previous leaderboards of league seasons? )

Anyway, those are some thoughts on it,

Caleb

We would rather be playing 4pc where players of all levels were interested in learning and growing the game every day, than running and playing League games once a week.  Almost a year later, a lot of streamers, and players of all levels left, and the game doesn’t seem to be growing is not a shock to many of us who saw it coming. 

So anyway, I assume that the long-term goal is to revert the changes, correct? The problem is, assuming I don't read everything completely wrong, is that this isn't going to happen for a while, if ever.   So what should we 4pc players do in the meantime? What is best for 4pc during this stretch?

Most of us have accepted the fact that the changes are not going to be reverted back, can anyone argue that these changes were really made for the better?

It’s not just the starting position that drove players away, the server instability, the rating changes make it harder to gain rating in Teams, which discourages a lot of players from playing.  I still don’t see the benefit of merging everything at the expense of having an unstable server. 

The League was started because regardless of stats, Old Standard is the superior position due to it being more tactical, more variety in the starting position, and simply more exciting to play.  Plus it's what players were accustomed to for years.  

Considering W4PCC or League games would never be played on New Standard speaks for itself.

New Standard is more user friendly for new players, and does prevent some teaming, but it’s very repetitive, due to its forcing nature, and has it really attracted new and old players?  

Do we have more players playing now than we did before the merge? 

Trying to get back to the mode high-rated players played in 2021 is not necessarily best for 4pc, depending on the action. I'll consider teams. Teams varies fairly considerably based upon the starting position. Regardless, people coming into teams will be playing New standard. Meanwhile, the championship will be in old standard. Does this specific case matter; no. But zoom out. How is teams going to grow if we play two starting positions?

The League has had no effect on fewer players playing the game, with only 2 games per Team once a week.  We’re just trying to play the mode we were accustomed to before the merge that no players wanted. 

Teams has its own set of issues starting with the starting position.  I play Teams every day, and there are only a handful of high rated players that are playing 2000+ games, some of the changes make it very difficult to gain rating.  Again, they need to address how often Teams is being played now compared to before the merge. 

The Teams League will be more competitive this year, @KUGELRUNDI & @DreamConqueror are a strong team that just joined. 

@EyeoftheTiger1234 and @CarlosGabriel1234 just joined as well. 

I disagree, agree, and change my mind on various positions on both sides. As you know, I like the League because it provides an avenue for competitive play that is lacking.

However, I worry that the high-rated community is straying from what is objectively best for 4pc, to fight to change 4pc back to what it used to be. However, that is most definitely not necessarily best for the game.

Or maybe it is. But I worry the goal isn't to do what's best, the goal is to change it back.

Anyway, that is my thoughts on it to some extent. I am slightly pessimistic on the direction of 4pc overall, as I assume most people here are. I feel bad repeating what you disagreed with, but it is a silver lining; 4pc does have a large untapped player base, though you are correct that doesn't change these issues.

Let me put it this way, if it wasn’t for the League a lot of us wouldn’t be playing 4pc at all, like the many who have left.  We made our opinions clear from the start, and how a lot of them combined have been bad for 4pc.  

There don't seem to be any changes coming that will entice old and new players from playing again, the League was our last resort to set up competitive games.  We would love to have League games be rated, but there are too many server issues and settings that prevent us from doing so. 

Season 2 of the FFA Premier League will have $1,000 prize and there should be a lot of competitive and exciting games coming up. 

Division 1 - https://4playerchessleague.com/ffa-premier-league/first-division/

How many of these Division 1 players play every day like they used to?
@Arseny_Vasily, @CarlosGabriel1234, @Cha_ChaRealSmooth, @Darksquareman, @EyeoftheTiger1204, @JCrossover_14, @Martinaxo, @Mati4333, @Neoserbian, @Radon, @Rojitto, @Vibgyor2, @absorbingentrance, @fourplayerchess, @jbolea, @vrdtmr

Division 2 - https://4playerchessleague.com/ffa-premier-league/second-division/

A question that doesn't matter a whole lot, and isn't relevant, but I am curious, so I might as well ask you it here. Will there be a way to see previous leaderboards of league seasons? 

Yes, once Season 2 starts I’ll figure out a way to display them more efficiently, and set up an archive, for now here are the results of Season 1:

FFA Premier League
https://4playerchessleague.com/table/ffa-premier-league-season-1/ 

Season 1 Finals 
https://4playerchessleague.com/ffa-league-finals/ 

Teams Season 1:  
https://4playerchessleague.com/teams-leaderboard/

Teams Season 1 Championshsips:
https://4playerchessleague.com/teams-premiere-league-championships/

I mean, I agree with most of what you said. And I don't mean to argue that players who don't play what they don't like are wrong. For that reason, some of what I argue is pointless. Less people are less people.

At the same time, I do not know how 4pc is going to move forward; it needs to somehow, whether we go forward the same way or go forward by moving back. I don't know how 4pc does this, realistically.

I wish the "old standard/anti-solo" camp would do more to help 4pc move forward, nor do I understand, for example, the vehemently toward solo. Then again, that's maybe not fair; why play what you don't enjoy?

I believe that camp could do more to adjust to the changes. That goes for the 4pc administration camp as well. They should have gone back to the previous setup, and arguably still should. Same goes for solo. I am perfectly fine with solo, and think it is the better mode for high-rated play; I don't consider the price worth it compared to other alternatives and factors. In hind-sight they could have and should have tried to combat teaming in other ways. eta: of course how many people come back; also there is the issue of balance and teaming. anyway idk on either side really

4pc needs to move forward somehow...We waste the fact that chess i.e our potential playerbase is the largest it's ever been.

I mean when has the playerbase ever been on the same page with admins

bring back ma leaderboards

this

960 leaderboard is completly wrong, most of the players in the leaderboard has not even played any 4 players 960 game ever

The standard 960 leaderboard is for 2 player, 4 player does not have its own rating