Repetition of moves shouldn't be a draw in bughouse

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Repetition of moves could have the purpose of just gaining time so that the partner can stall for longer. Insufficient material shouldn't count as a draw. There should be NO draws.

bughorse

Does stalemate exist in bughouse tho? I don't think I've ever seen one

TheDarkChessGod

agreed but just in bughouse. When I play not online like at a inperson bughouse tournament then it's like that, there is no 3 move repitition rule. 

TheDarkChessGod
bughorse wrote:

Does stalemate exist in bughouse tho? I don't think I've ever seen one

Stalemate does not exist because you can get pieces from your partner, if you have no pieces you have to wait for them.

bughorse
wadesuess2 wrote:
bughorse wrote:

Does stalemate exist in bughouse tho? I don't think I've ever seen one

Stalemate does not exist because you can get pieces from your partner, if you have no pieces you have to wait for them.

E.g. when they are both back rank checked, and they both wait for a piece to block the check, then they don't have any legal move. I am sure this happened multiple times on accident

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DaRealestOne wrote:

no draws? then any time a player got a position in which they could repeat and a piece mates, it becomes a guaranteed win 

it shouldn't be a draw. It should be a tactic.

DontKno
bughorse wrote:
wadesuess2 wrote:
bughorse wrote:

Does stalemate exist in bughouse tho? I don't think I've ever seen one

Stalemate does not exist because you can get pieces from your partner, if you have no pieces you have to wait for them.

E.g. when they are both back rank checked, and they both wait for a piece to block the check, then they don't have any legal move. I am sure this happened multiple times on accident

doesn't the one with the clock advantage just win then?

TheMutatedDonkey

time gaining should be no grounds for changing a very balanced rule

bughorse
DontKno wrote:
bughorse wrote:
wadesuess2 wrote:
bughorse wrote:

Does stalemate exist in bughouse tho? I don't think I've ever seen one

Stalemate does not exist because you can get pieces from your partner, if you have no pieces you have to wait for them.

E.g. when they are both back rank checked, and they both wait for a piece to block the check, then they don't have any legal move. I am sure this happened multiple times on accident

doesn't the one with the clock advantage just win then?

No, it's one player's/team's turn, so only their time decreases. Also in regular chess, it's a draw.

edit: well, if I am not mistaken, there are 2 types of stalemates in bughouse, regarding who's turn is next

Riwwer

Insufficient material, stalemate, and 50 move rule do not exist in bughouse.

On the other hand, repetition does exist, to prevent potentially infinite moving back and forth.

See wir.wz.cz/rules.htm

bughorse

Repetitions, that involves dropping definitely should not be a draw. It happened me some times that we both dropped and take pawns or bishops for a while, and we didn't even had more material to continue it when it said that it's a draw

bughorse

I just tricked a 2200 player with it grin.png 

i dropped bishops, he dropped pawns, that's a 1 to 2 points "trade", he thought it's fine, then KABOOM draw by repetition into his face grin.png

bughorse

I kinda feel that it's like winning by exploiting a bug (instead of winning by skill, pure luck, his blunder, his partners blunder, or my partners skill).

Fuzzician

I suspect the only reason that three-fold repetition results in a draw is because.....Chess.com is a bad website.  It doesn't consider the pieces in hand, which are most definitely part of the position, given that they can enter the game at any time.  If pieces are dropped, and the content of the players hands changes, then repetition should not occur.

The only draw that should occur in bug is perpetual check.  Alternatively, three-fold where no drops are involved, and the two sides are just repeating the same move over and over is also fine.

Riwwer

While chess.com might be a bad website, by not implementing proper bpgn, the three-fold draw repetition -disregarding any reserve pieces- is part of the internationally recognized bughouse rules.

bughorse

Really?

Grimm_Stone
bughorse wrote:

Does stalemate exist in bughouse tho? I don't think I've ever seen one

No

GoldCollector

So why it isn’t a draw if both players on a team get stalemated simultaneously? They can’t get pieces from partner because their partner can’t move either.

BigSplat2018

Though stalemate can't happen in Bughouse, it can be a result in Crazyhouse. It's rare as all getout (I mean, typically a player would have some drop pieces or a few legal P moves), but I did see it today. I'd never seen it before.

HRychtarik

Hello