Was it “Spoken” into existence?

Revelation 1:5-8

⁵ and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, ⁶ and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

⁸ “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Jesus refers to the Father as God.  This does not mean that Jesus is not God; it is a title they share.

   I would assume that no one on this page would deny that Jesus is in fact God in the flesh. I had assumed that all would believe that the one who spoke in Genesis 1 was the Father. I also assume that we all believe the plain teaching of Scripture that Jesus is the Creator. 
   The question is, was it done simply by speaking. Again, I have to assume that we all believe that God certainly could have simply spoken the universe and all its contents into existence, and could have done it in 6 seconds if he so chose. And I also have to admit that if Genesis 1 was the sum total of the Scriptures we would have to say that it was spoken into existence.

   But given passages like Hebrews 1:1-3 and others it is clear that the Father created the universe by Jesus Christ. So the question is, did Jesus speak the universe into existence, or was it a much more personal, hands on thing?

   We all have heard (maybe even preached) on Adam being a special sort of creation because God formed him with his own hands. And I hope we can all acknowledge that somethings are oft repeated simply because they “preach well”. Chapter 2 says that the animals were also formed , not spoken, just like Adam. We can dismiss anything we like as “poetic language”, but then we are left with the Father saying ”let there be light” so that Jesus could say “let there be light”. If that is the way it happened, so be it, I have no problem with that. It just seems redundant and not necessarily in keeping with other passages describing the Creation.

“In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. He existed in the beginning with God. God created everything through him, and nothing was created except through him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-3‬ ‭NLT‬‬
https://www.bible.com/116/jhn.1.1-3.nlt

is it names written from the foundation of the world

or is it Jesus Christ slain from the foundation of the world?

I understand your reasoning about “determined”, but when the word is coupled to the phrase “out of the dust of the ground”, it seems to me that the natural understanding would be “formed”.

Rev.13 v 8 ..... 'Lamb that was slain from the creation of the earth'  ( NIV )

Kjvav, if you happen to have a concordance or want to bring up Strongs online, the number is 3335.

Make sure you have 'Hebrew' selected as the language and 'concordance, lexicon ' selected as well. Perhaps that will help............

I would humbly suggest that the question is based on a faulty premise and identification that we should not accept to begin with.

(1) Genesis is clear that God (Elohim) "said"

(2) The NT is clear that creation was *mediated* by the Son (as a co-equal, though, NOT as an intermediary)

(3) However, the Bible never says the Father "said."

So we cannot make that identification.  We cannot say:  God "said" = the Father "said"

   But what about Hebrews 1:2 ?

Good question.  Hebrews 1:2 would fall under my point #2 above that the NT is clear that creation was *mediated* by and through the Son.  Hebrews 1:2 is one of the verses that supports this (carefully note though: Hebrews 1:1 says God spoke *to us* through the prophets and now speaks *to us* through His Son.  The clause that follows identifies the Son as the mediator of creation, but importantly says nothing about the Father speaking *to the Son* to achieve this). 

Like redemption, creation was also mediated through the Son.  That seems clear enough.  But I don't see how we can go any further than this.  We aren't given any more detals.  We aren't told the specifics of how exactly this was done or the "mechanics" of it.  There's nothing to support the Father "said" to the Son who then created.  There's nothing to say it couldn't have been the Son who directly spoke things into existence as a mediator on behalf of the Father, but there's no support for or against that either.  The Bible is silent on the subject.  

All we have is "And God said" in Genesis, which implicates all 3 persons of the Trinity were involved in some way.  Genesis 1:2 does mention the Spirit hovering over the waters, and 1 Corinthians 8 says everything is *from* the Father and *through* the Son.

There is also the well-known observation that in Genesis God says "Let US make" (though some argue this is a majestic plural along the lines of our royal "we" used to indicate the singular).  Then, there is the word Elohim itself, which is actually the plural form of the noun Eloah, and the same word translated elsewhere as "gods."  For example, God (Elohim) commands that "you shall have no other gods (elohim)" before Him.  Some Christians (including early ones) saw these things in Genesis as evidence for the Trinity.  I want to stress that there's no way to prove that nor can we ever teach that Genesis definitively says or supports this.  But it's still curious, and we're well within our rights to express a contemplative "Hmmmm....interesting" :-) 

I’m not holding to the “Father spoke and the Son did” interpretation, but in Hebrews 1:2 it does very clearly say that the Father created the world by the Son.

Yes, absolutely.  Hebrews 1:2 says *through* the Son.  John 1 also says *through* the Word.  1 Corinthians 8, likewise says everything is *from* the Father and *through* the Son.  That's what I meant when I said creation was *mediated* through the Son.

If a father tells his son to mow the yard and the son does mow the yard in those days it would be thought that the father mowed the yard because it was done under his authority. In my opinion God the Father asked Jesus the Son to make a universe. Jesus made a universe at His Fathers request. God's word was to create and Jesus became God's Word by fulfilling those words, It was a simple concept that we have done a lot to complicate it.

   That’s pretty much my belief on it.

But again, we can't say that the Father "said" or told or asked or requested that the Son create the universe, because nothing in the Bible says this, nor can we use anthropomorphic analogies. Such could also be dangerously misunderstood as Jesus being put in the role of a subordinate intermediary.  The most we can say is that the Bible teaches that the Son was the mediator of creation just like He was the mediator of redemption.  

But I do agree with you that the matter gets needlessly complicated.  God "said" and spoke the world into existence.  Period.  All three persons of the trinity were involved.  Genesis 1:2 speaks of the Spirit hovering over the waters, and 1 Corinthians 8 says that everything made has come *from* the Father and *through* the Son.  Beyond that, I don't think anything more needs to be said, nor is there any need to entertain speculative ideas on the "mechanics" of how the Son mediated creation. 

In fact, I would argue that the more important, relevant issue is the role of Jesus as the Mediator, Himself.  Thus, not only is he the mediator of creation *through* whom all things were made, but also the new "Moses" mediating the new "law", the new covenant and of redemption *through* whom we are reconciled to God.  *Through* Christ is the operative word.

So, I would say more important than how is the fact that He did.  What do you think?  Agree?  Disagree? 

Agree! In the beginning God created----->The Bible says who, we just debate on how.

Well, yeah, I would assume no one in this club would debate whether God created the world or not.