Chessmaster GM Edition - personalities

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EscherehcsE

I wonder if there's some little trick regarding the install of CM11 into Windows 10 (or Windows 11), like maybe setting the Win XP compatibility mode (or something.) I think there was a previous thread here where I (or somebody) discussed this scenario, but it's been so long, I don't remember the details. I'd have to try to find that thread to refresh my memory.

Or, now that I think about it some more, maybe we only discussed installing CM10 (and CM9000) into Windows 10. My memory is foggy...

premio53
EscherehcsE wrote:

@premio53 - Are you doing all of this in Windows 11 or Windows 10?

I don't have any Windows 11 PCs, only Windows 10 (or Windows 7). If it would help, I could try installing a bootleg copy of CM11 into Windows 10, although I'm not sure when I'd get around to doing it. (It probably would be a number of days.)

CM 11 was buggy in Windows 10. It kept crashing. It seems to run perfectly in Windows 11 which i'm now using.

EscherehcsE
premio53 wrote:
EscherehcsE wrote:

@premio53 - Are you doing all of this in Windows 11 or Windows 10?

I don't have any Windows 11 PCs, only Windows 10 (or Windows 7). If it would help, I could try installing a bootleg copy of CM11 into Windows 10, although I'm not sure when I'd get around to doing it. (It probably would be a number of days.)

CM 11 was buggy in Windows 10. It kept crashing. It seems to run perfectly in Windows 11 which i'm now using.

OK, then I guess I can't really help, as I may never get Windows 11 capability, unless I break down and buy a completely new PC. (and I'm not even really wanting that capability, haha. I've completely lost faith in Microsoft, and I don't really care about Windows anymore.)

EscherehcsE
premio53 wrote:

It must be some bug in the CM 11 GUI. Chessmaster would be lucky to win one out of ten games against Slow Chess. I am thinking about installing CM 11 in linux under wine and see if the operating system makes any difference. I imported Slow Chess Blitz as a winboard engine. Its a shame really since Chessmaster 11 was the last one to come out and there is no way to have a world class engine in it it seems by what I have experienced.

It would probably be less than that. I'm not sure what the win rate would be with a 775 elo difference, but it's got to be miniscule.

Nordlandia

CM XI is single-core right. Even though it used 2-CPU in my dual-core laptop with ponder disabled.

It used 36% of the cpu resources with ponder enabled on a 16-core machine.

Some said it is not multi-core but it certainly make claim on more cpu resources.

Nordlandia

Which of the standard GM personalities is strongest.

Based on my testing so far, let me put forward the following individuals:

Rubinstein personality is quite decent.

Fischer personality is strong but might be too aggressive at times.

Keres Personality (unofficial)

Botvinnik is great.

premio53

Archangel is about 40 Elo stronger then the standard CM 11.

I understand the positional settings. Would you explain the material settings?

My Pawn=116 for example is confusing.

Selective Search on my computer only goes as high as 16. You have 21. Thanks.

Nordlandia

I'm curious and a bit eager to find out which of the default grandmaster profiles is the strongest.

Whether Botvinnik is stronger than Capablanca is interesting to find out. Also that they play against Rubinstein.

I have been bothered a lot lately by the gui crashing by itself during engine games. Many games are wasted in vain because of that.

premio53
Nordlandia wrote:

I'm curious and a bit eager to find out which of the default grandmaster profiles is the strongest.

Whether Botvinnik is stronger than Capablanca is interesting to find out. Also that they play against Rubinstein.

I have been bothered a lot lately by the gui crashing by itself during engine games. Many games are wasted in vain because of that.

I had a problem with Chessmaster 11 crashing in Windows 10 to the point I quit messing with it. In Windows 11 I have had no problems running Chessmaster.

EscherehcsE

For fun, I ran a 100-game match on my Windows 7 OS between the stock Chessmaster 10 engine and Slow Chess Blitz 2.9. The CM10 engine got 3.5 points out of 100. The formula predicts that CM10 should only get about 1 point. I think CM10 got about 5 draws, but it also actually got one win. CM10 might have just been lucky, but I suspect that maybe the CM10.obk book has some bad lines in it. I might look at those six games to check out the opening book. In the one game that CM10 won, it appeared to me that Slow Blitz was down a couple of pawns straight out of the book, which shouldn't happen.

EscherehcsE

OK, I checked the 6 games. In the game that CM10 won, it had a 2 pawn advantage straight out of the book. In the other 5 games (all draws): CM10 had a 1.25 pawn advantage in 2 games coming out of book, CM10 had a 0.5 pawn advantage in 1 game coming out of the book (CM10 was White, so you could argue that this one was sort of legit), and CM10 had about an even position in 2 games coming out of the book.

So, if you assume that Slow Blitz probably would have won the 3 games where CM10 had an unfair advantage (1.25 to 2 pawns), the score for CM10 should have been closer to 1.5 out of 100, which would be fairly close to that predicted by the elo formula.

premio53

I played ten games of Chessmaster 11 vs Slow Blitz using wine in Linux and CM won or drew all the games. So it isn't the operating system. It is a bug in the CM GUI. I can think of no other reason.

EscherehcsE

I need to make one last post to correct a stupid mistake I made regarding the opening books. I inadvertently left the Slow Chess Blitz book active, and I think the really bad lines came from that book, not the CMX book. After I deactivated the Slow Chess Blitz book and had both engines using only the CMX book, I ran another 100-game tourney, and the Chessmaster 10 engine scored 2 points out of 100 (4 draws).

And just for grins, I ran a third 100-game tourney with both engines using a non-Chessmaster book. I used a more balanced 8-move book called "Perfect 2010". In that tourney, the Chessmaster 10 engine scored 1 point out of 100 (2 draws, just as the formula would predict.)

premio53
EscherehcsE wrote:

I need to make one last post to correct a stupid mistake I made regarding the opening books. I inadvertently left the Slow Chess Blitz book active, and I think the really bad lines came from that book, not the CMX book. After I deactivated the Slow Chess Blitz book and had both engines using only the CMX book, I ran another 100-game tourney, and the Chessmaster 10 engine scored 2 points out of 100 (4 draws).

And just for grins, I ran a third 100-game tourney with both engines using a non-Chessmaster book. I used a more balanced 8-move book called "Perfect 2010". In that tourney, the Chessmaster 10 engine scored 1 point out of 100 (2 draws, just as the formula would predict.)

Stockfish would probably score about the same against Slow Blitz but Slow Blitz would still be a much better engine for somone to use who didn't want to go through the headache of trying to install a UCI engine in the Chessmaster GUI. Slow Blitz 2.9 has two engines. I couldn't run the Slow64-avx2 on my older computer but is is supposedly stronger than the Slow64-sse engine and will run on newer hardware.

EscherehcsE
premio53 wrote:
EscherehcsE wrote:

I need to make one last post to correct a stupid mistake I made regarding the opening books. I inadvertently left the Slow Chess Blitz book active, and I think the really bad lines came from that book, not the CMX book. After I deactivated the Slow Chess Blitz book and had both engines using only the CMX book, I ran another 100-game tourney, and the Chessmaster 10 engine scored 2 points out of 100 (4 draws).

And just for grins, I ran a third 100-game tourney with both engines using a non-Chessmaster book. I used a more balanced 8-move book called "Perfect 2010". In that tourney, the Chessmaster 10 engine scored 1 point out of 100 (2 draws, just as the formula would predict.)

Stockfish would probably score about the same against Slow Blitz but Slow Blitz would still be a much better engine for somone to use who didn't want to go through the headache of trying to install a UCI engine in the Chessmaster GUI. Slow Blitz 2.9 has two engines. I couldn't run the Slow64-avx2 on my older computer but is is supposedly stronger than the Slow64-sse engine and will run on newer hardware.

I also was running Chessmaster 10th GUI on a Win7 machine that couldn't run the Slow64-avx2 engine. I don't know how much faster that engine would be over the sse engine. My guess is that it wouldn't be much of an improvement, but idk.

Stockfish_2008

Here Is The New (Chessmaster Grandmaster Edition) Personalities & Opening Books Files. Here Is The Download Link: https://www.mediafire.com/file/fw02hhmj9qrqbso/New+Personalities+&+Opening+Books+For+(Chessmaster+Grandmaster+Edition).rar/file

premio53

Do you paste the rar file in the Ubisoft folder in program files? I've never used a rar file.

EscherehcsE
premio53 wrote:

Do you paste the rar file in the Ubisoft folder in program files? I've never used a rar file.

No, you'll have to unarchive it with an archiving utility, sort of like a zip file. My favorite unarchiver is 7-Zip.

https://www.7-zip.org/

premio53
EscherehcsE wrote:
premio53 wrote:

Do you paste the rar file in the Ubisoft folder in program files? I've never used a rar file.

No, you'll have to unarchive it with an archiving utility, sort of like a zip file. My favorite unarchiver is 7-Zip.

https://www.7-zip.org/

I unarchived it but all I see is a rar file. I just didn't know what to do with it.

EscherehcsE
premio53 wrote:
EscherehcsE wrote:
premio53 wrote:

Do you paste the rar file in the Ubisoft folder in program files? I've never used a rar file.

No, you'll have to unarchive it with an archiving utility, sort of like a zip file. My favorite unarchiver is 7-Zip.

https://www.7-zip.org/

I unarchived it but all I see is a rar file. I just didn't know what to do with it.

I had to download it and unarchive it myself so I'd know what was going on. It will be unarchived into a folder named "Data". (That's super generic - I would have been a bit more descriptive.) Inside that folder will be two other folders (Opening Books and Personalities) and a ReadMe file. The ReadMe file tells you where to copy the files.