Chronos Chess Clock help

Hello. I’m trying to set up defaults for my chess Chronos clock. I’ve gone through the trouble of reading the manual and watching a video. I understand how to use and program it with one exception. There is no ”copy to” option at the end of the options. I want to be able to save my settings as a preset. It’s an older clock. Does this mean I can’t program presets? Any suggestions? Thanks. 

Can you take a picture of the clock and upload it to imgur? Top and underneath the clock will be nice to see (Maybe you can post pictures here directly too I guess?).

Also can you cycle through the clock by holding down the two plunger buttons while pressing the middle button to turn the clock on, and list all of the modes "example: CH-F1" that appear on the clock, before it cycles back to the beginning?

If pressing the middle button does not turn on the clock, does it have a black on/off switch at the very bottom of the clock?

I thank you for helping me out. Yes I have access to the different modes and the red button on top turns it on or off. Turning it on without the touch buttons is the first 4 presets. The left accesses 5-8, and right 9-12. I have since found I can modify and save these presets, but am limited to the parameters of that mode. For instance the 5 min blitz mode cannot be changed to 30 min. I can hold both touch buttons to access all modes, but I see no way to save these to the presets as there is no “copy to”. I think I have what is called the “long model”.

Clock Modes

Ch f1, f2

Ch f3, f4

Ch a1, a2

Ch a3, a4

Ch a5, a6

Ch a7, a8

Ch tn1, tn2

Ch by1, by2

Ch by3, by4

Ch h1, h2

Ch p1, p1a

Ch p2, p2a

Ch p3, p4

Ch p5, p6

Ch p7, p8

Go j1, j2

Go a1, a2

Go p1, p2

Go c1, c2

Go c3, c4

Ing 1, 2

Fd 1, 1a

Fd 2, 2a

Dn 1, 2

Up 1, 2

Ad 1, 2

Ad 3, 4

Sd 1, 2

Sd 3, 4

An 1, 1a

An 2, 3

D1 sd1, sd2

D1 sd3, sd4

D1 dn1, dn2

D1 c1, c2

D1 c1a, c1b

D1 c2a, c2b

Pr C1, C2

Pr c1a, c1b

Pr c2a, c2b

Sho 1, 2

Sho 3, 4

Shch 1, 2

Pitch, Sr Nr

Ch tn1, tn2

Ch p5, p6

Ch p7, p8

Looks like your clock has the latest programming.

When I saw your picture, it looked like the clock I bought back in 1995, which had the on off switch at the underside of the clock, and the middle switch was just for pausing or changing settings. That clock didn't have the new progressive modes or Tn1 and TN2.

You use CH-P5 and CH-P6 for FIDE increment time controls (for one or two time controls, P7 and P8 are either for 3 or 4 (or repeating, not sure) time controls, without move counter. The moves with increment and move counter are the PR-CX time controls (C1, C2, C1A, C1B, C2A, C2B). I believe all of these were added in the newest programming.

http://www.chesspraga.cz/download/manualy/ChronosManual.pdf

The delay modes with and without move counter are on all the models, even the oldest ones.

Surprised by the square LED layout though. Those are the ones that were on the old clocks. There were even older ones, clocks with large circle LED's (the current ones have much smaller circle LED's). Going to guess that clock was manufactured around 2002.

Is that a refurbished clock that was recently serviced? I'm surprised the internal ribbon cable didn't oxidize and cause the LCD digits to fade out due to voltage signal degradation (this can be fixed by samtimer, but it costs money and he makes you agree to a bunch of terms). 20 years is a VERY long time for that internal cable to not degrade on the PCB end of the connector. The very newest Chronos GX clocks use a "JST" connector instead, but the GX clocks do NOT allow you to change the move counter after a game has started!!

Question:
What shows up when you cycle to the very end of any mode, in the settings?

It should show "Led Short, Beep at end, beep at Time Control (only for modes that have multiple time controls), halt at end, and Copy to 1-12).

I'd be really shocked if Copy To...didn't exist. As the presets would be useless. Plus your clock has the very latest modes. That PDF I linked has the original manual as well as two of the latest additions.

You are quite knowledgeable about these clocks. I was at Union Square in 2002, and bought it new at a chess shop. Your estimate is spot on. It has never been serviced. The batteries were not even corroded, and I haven’t used it in probably 10 years. Do you know if this clock has the ability to replace the 12 presets with a different mode? I can’t seem to find “Copy to”.

I replied to your post as you were apparently typing your reply. Please list all the settings at the very end of any mode. Example: CH-F1 (the first one) should show beep, LED, LED short, beep at end, Halt at end, Copy to (X). While CH-A5 (five time controls!) should show Beep, LED, LED short, beep at end, Beep at TC, Halt at end, Copy to X.

For your Ch-F1 example I get.. I’ll use “/“ to separate the left/right screen

5:00 / 5:00

1-beep / 1 - LED

0 - LED / Short

0 - beep / At End

0 - Halt / At End

Then it goes back to the time.

That's bizarre. The manual from 1995 says that you can save settings in user modes (1-12).

That could be a bug. I don't remember how the 'switch on the bottom' clock operated, because I bought that around 1995 (I think), which I no longer have (don't remember why, I guess something broke, it was too long ago). My current two chronos clocks I have, I bought around 2003/2004 I think. The PDF on page 10 and 11 which has the 1995 manual (addenums are shown later) mentions saving user modes, but it doesn't mention "LED Short" at all, so LED Short was in later programming.

http://www.chesspraga.cz/download/manualy/ChronosManual.pdf

You could send the clock to samtimer along with the issue and see if he will fix it. Not sure if he will charge the full $40, you would have to email him and ask. There could have been a programming flaw in certain batches. Perhaps you will get lucky and he won't charge the full price. I got both my pushbutton and sensor longbody clocks fixed last January (LED cable oxidation problems), he fixed them both perfectly and I got them back a month later (very beginning of February). Make sure you are VERY polite when you email him (he's NOT known for his temper).

https://www.samtimer.com/

Thanks for the tip on samtimer.com. I never knew such a service existed.