I know this is slightly off topic but I have to rant about the Chronos GX for a second. There is one main reason why I hate the Chronos GX. For increment time controls, it doesn't give the increment for move one like it should based on FIDE and US Chess rules. For example, for G/3;inc2, each player gets 3.02 (three minutes and two seconds) to complete move one. The Chronos GX only gives each player 3.00 to complete move one. For the eight tournament settings (which are the only settings you can use if the base time is at least 100 minutes), you can only set hours and minutes which means you can't even manually add seconds to the base time when setting the clock to get the increment for move one. The only way to get the increment for move one is to start the clock for White's first move, pause it, and manually add the increment time to the base time, add back anytime White lost when you started White's time for move one, and correct the move counter if you are using one of the options with a move counter.
Chronos GX ... Again!
Thanks for terrifying me.
All I'm trying to do is to program a time control that's not already preset, save it, and access it directly.
I can't.
I will post how to do this when I get home and work with my GX.
The user presets are separate from the built in ones.
I only use the first four as they are the easiest to access and really make setting the clock easy.
Thank you. I've tried saving a time control about 20 times .... with no success whatsoever.
BTW, my two test cases have been G/90 d5 and 40/90, SD/30, +30 second increment. Can't save either.
Now, when turning the clock on, the initial display does not match the manual's information.
When using the combination of L Button/Red Button, I'm supposed to get tn1, tn2, tn3, and tnU. What I get is tc2, tn2, tn3, and tnU.
When using the combination of R Button/Red Button, I'm supposed to get tc2, tc3, tc4, and tcU. What I get is tn1, tc3, tc4, and tcU.
I can find no instructions to return to factory settings ... found some for just the Chronos, but not the Chronos GX. The Chronos instructions don't work for the GX.
This purchase, I'm beginning to think, was a costly mistake.
Actually, I think you might find this easier than you thought.
1. I will explain how to set and save G/90, d/5 as you wanted.
2. There are actually 3 different ways to do this, but I will explain the easiest, to me.
3. Hold both timer buttons down and press the center red button.
4 You will see F1 and F2 displayed. Press the button over F1.
5. Now you will see 5:00. Long press the red center button and you will see a flashing 0 appear in front of each 5.
6. Press each timer button until there is a 9 in each display, flashing.
7. Do a short press on the red center button and now the 5’s will be flashing. Press each timer button until it is 0.
8. Short press the red center button again and again until you see a flashing 0 followed by another 0 in each display. And there will be a d on top of an L on the right hand side of each display. This stands for delay.
7. Short press the center red button again to make the right 0 flash.
8. Press each timer button again until that number is a 5.
9. Now short press the red center button again until you see bEEP. Press the right timer button and make that a 0.
10. Short press the red center button again until you see the bP At End screen. Press the left timer button and make that also a 0.
11. Short press the red button again and make sure the Ht at End is at 0.
12. Short press the red button again until you see COPY to with a flashing 0.
13. Press the right timer button to make that a 1.
14. Long press the red center button to save it all.
15. Now turn the clock off by holding the red center button down and pressing either timer button 5 times.
16. That time control is saved in the user preset 1.
17. Now just give a short press to the center red button and your G/90, d/5 preset is right there.
Here's another way.
1. Long press the center red button.
2. The times will flash, press either play button will change that players time.
3. When done with the desired time (in your case, set both sides to "9"), press the red button.
4. The next time digital will flash; set both to "0"; and repeat until you reach the next screen.
5. The next screen is the delay screen ("dL"); you want "05" for your 5 sec delay.
6. The next screen is "In" for increment, you want "00"
7. The next screen is Bronstein delay ("bd"); you want "00".
8. The nest screen is "beep", for tournament, you want "0" (no beep)
9. The next screen is "LEd", set to "1" (so you know who's turn it is with a quick look)
10. The next screen is "beep at end", for tournament, you want "0" (no beep)
11. The next screen is "halt of end", set it to "1" (so you know right away when somebody's time out)
12. The next screen is "display options", set it to "0"
13. the next screen is "copy to preset location", just take the setting the clock tells you.
14. Long press the red button.
The thing about chronos gx is that it is actually pretty intuitive to set after you've set it once.
eyeschess method is when the clock is off; my method is when the clock is on.
Yeah, we are saying the same thing in different ways.
The only thing is you want it to save or Copy to a number, not a 0.
1 - 4 is accessible with only short presses of the red center button when turning the clock on. Short pressing it will cycle through the first 4 presets and you just stop where you want.
I never worry about the other presets because the 4 basic ones can just be changed, easily to a different time.
I lied. I stayed up and, following directions, successfully programmed the G/90 d5. As a best guess, I was not saving with a long press.
Then I tried to save 90/40 sd30 i30. I pressed on until I reached and selected tc2 -- which is supposed to be two time controls with moves counted. This allowed me to program in an increment of 30 seconds for the first time control (90/40). Then I pressed on to a second time control, which I programmed for 30 minutes with no move counter and with an increment of 30 seconds. I saved it to F2 (2). It seems to have worked. I had been trying to save it to tc2 (9) and that wasn't working. And I used the long press for the save.
And, for no discernible reason, tc2 and tn1 have migrated back to where the manual says they should be.
Now, with a sense of having vanquished the GX foe, I do finally go to my repose. Thanks to you both.
Muchas gracias, señores. Ciertamente, ustedes son caballeros.
Hi, I have a question. Manual talks about the final delay (fd), but my clock shows Bronstein delay (bd). Is it the same? Is there any way to change between bd and fd?
Thanks.
Is the CHRONOS GX Digital Game Clock Users Guide the same as the CHRONOS Digital Game Clock Users Guide?
I know this is slightly off topic but I have to rant about the Chronos GX for a second. There is one main reason why I hate the Chronos GX. For increment time controls, it doesn't give the increment for move one like it should based on FIDE and US Chess rules. For example, for G/3;inc2, each player gets 3.02 (three minutes and two seconds) to complete move one. The Chronos GX only gives each player 3.00 to complete move one. For the eight tournament settings (which are the only settings you can use if the base time is at least 100 minutes), you can only set hours and minutes which means you can't even manually add seconds to the base time when setting the clock to get the increment for move one. The only way to get the increment for move one is to start the clock for White's first move, pause it, and manually add the increment time to the base time, add back anytime White lost when you started White's time for move one, and correct the move counter if you are using one of the options with a move counter.
I know this is an old post, but do you know if the non-gx chronos (original ones) allow you to set seconds to make up for this when using increment?
Yes, the longer Chronos allows you to set seconds.
I know this is slightly off topic but I have to rant about the Chronos GX for a second. There is one main reason why I hate the Chronos GX. For increment time controls, it doesn't give the increment for move one like it should based on FIDE and US Chess rules. For example, for G/3;inc2, each player gets 3.02 (three minutes and two seconds) to complete move one. The Chronos GX only gives each player 3.00 to complete move one. For the eight tournament settings (which are the only settings you can use if the base time is at least 100 minutes), you can only set hours and minutes which means you can't even manually add seconds to the base time when setting the clock to get the increment for move one. The only way to get the increment for move one is to start the clock for White's first move, pause it, and manually add the increment time to the base time, add back anytime White lost when you started White's time for move one, and correct the move counter if you are using one of the options with a move counter.
I know this is an old post, but do you know if the non-gx chronos (original ones) allow you to set seconds to make up for this when using increment?
The longbody Chronos allows you to set seconds directly (and save it to a preset), *AND* to edit the move counter after the clock has started, so you can give each side the initial increment seconds instantly (the DGTs add it after you set the clock into ready mode). That makes the longbody clock basically equivalent in chess function to a DGT 2500, and thus FIDE certified (neither clock can do mixed mode time controls (increment+delay at the same time or at different time controls in the same game) like the DGT 3000 or Chronos GX can do, but you can still set different increment or delay values for each time control (but you can only use delay OR increment in any specific setting allocated to one or the other).
I don't think the GX has any way to edit the move counter, which can be a deal breaker if you're in a FIDE rated tournament, which are supposed to have the clocks freeze if someone loses on time, but without the move counter enabled (thus relying on scoresheet only), "halt at end" (freeze) only happens after the final time period time control expires. But if you use the move counter and someone makes an illegal move, the clock is ahead 1 move, and the arbiter has to penalize time, you're screwed as the clock is now ahead of the scoresheet.
You can give the initial seconds in hour long+ increment time controls by starting white's clock then instantly stopping it and going into edit mode, which then allows you to change the seconds. But you can't save that change into a preset.
I just got my Chronos GX ... after a period of researching clocks and determining that it was a pricey option , but one that would satisfy all tournament needs. What I didn't research was setting the clock. So, I was up until 0100 hrs this morning dealing with the (expletive deleted and deleted and deleted) thing. It seems that the manual was written by somebody who came in last in the technical writing exams and was drunk during the entire period of writing the manual.
I have learned a good deal about the clock, and, in a strange way, it is strangely intuitively obvious, but I still can't figure several things out.
Here is my current question, which will surface eventually:
There are 12 chess modes (time controls -- which the manual also calls starting times)-- 4 blitz and 8 tournament (4 with a move counter and 4 without a move counter). Each of these 12 modes is preset by the factory and each has unique characteristics. After messing about, with alarming results, I am relatively sure that they are now all reset to the factory settings.
The manual advises the user to change the modes and times to different modes and times the user wishes to use. Then the manual advises the user to save the new mode and time to a user preset 1-12.
My question ---
Are there only 12 modes that can be stored in the clock? Are these the 12 modes that hold the original factory settings and then are overwritten by a new, user programmed, mode? I have been unable to change any of the modes to a new time control. I follow the instructions, but the new time control will not reset.
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Is there a capability for 24 modes - the 12 original modes plus another 12 user programmed modes? If there are an additional 12 user programmed modes, I cannot find them. I set the controls within the mode, get to Save to n, enter the mode number, hit the red button, turn off the clock, turn it on again -- and the factory settings remain.
Any help would be appreciated.