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visualdrome

Hi to everyone,

I'd like to buy a computer/electronic chessboard because I'm tired of the screen (I'm a teacher and I spend longtime with devices).

I'm a beginner/intermediate: I play chess since longtime but I never read a book neither I had lessons.

Can you suggest me an electronic chessboard?

I watched those ones:

Millennium Chessgenius Pro

Lexibook Chessman Elite

Thanks

Bye

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baddogno

If you can hang on for a few months (probably midsummer), the second generation Square Off boards should be out.  They'll be half the price and 2 to 3X faster than the original.  I've seen video and they're impressively quick.  Oh not bullet quick, but probably blitz capable.

jacmater

Maybe you can ask here:

https://foro.chesscc.com/

It is dedicated to chess computers only, and the people involved in know very much that intricated world.
You can ask in english, there is no problem.

visualdrome
baddogno wrote:

If you can hang on for a few months (probably midsummer), the second generation Square Off boards should be out.  They'll be half the price and 2 to 3X faster than the original.  I've seen video and they're impressively quick.  Oh not bullet quick, but probably blitz capable.

Hi, do you mean these? https://squareoffnow.com/product/kds

visualdrome
jacmater wrote:

Maybe you can ask here:

https://foro.chesscc.com/

It is dedicated to chess computers only, and the people involved in know very much that intricated world.
You can ask in english, there is no problem.

Thanks, I'll ask there (I can write in spanish to)

everydaymachines
baddogno wrote:

If you can hang on for a few months (probably midsummer), the second generation Square Off boards should be out.  They'll be half the price and 2 to 3X faster than the original.  I've seen video and they're impressively quick.  Oh not bullet quick, but probably blitz capable.

 

Do you have a link to the video?

baddogno
visualdrome wrote:
baddogno wrote:

If you can hang on for a few months (probably midsummer), the second generation Square Off boards should be out.  They'll be half the price and 2 to 3X faster than the original.  I've seen video and they're impressively quick.  Oh not bullet quick, but probably blitz capable.

Hi, do you mean these? https://squareoffnow.com/product/kds

Those are the first generation.  Two new models should be here this summer.  The Neo which is quite small and 2X speed at around $150 and the Switch (Swap?) a little bigger, with 3X speed and the ability to play checkers.  No, for the life of me I have no idea why they thought that would appeal to a chess market...LOL.  The Switch looks like it's fast enough for Blitz.  Smart phones (either Android or Apple) provide the brains.  They're a little behind on delivery with the pandemic and border skirmishes between India and China.  I'll see if I can find a link...

baddogno

Here you go.  The kickstarter campaign is long over, but the link should still work...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/infivention/square-off-neo-and-swap-board-games-powered-by-robotics-and-ai?ref=eska88&utm_source=SocialReferral&utm_medium=Referral&utm_campaign=Joseph

Oh and the Neo is only 1.5X faster.  My bad...

baddogno

And more "My bad".  Estimated delivery is now this fall...sigh.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/square-off-neo-swap-smart-automated-board-games#/

binomine
baddogno wrote:

If you can hang on for a few months (probably midsummer), the second generation Square Off boards should be out.  They'll be half the price and 2 to 3X faster than the original.  I've seen video and they're impressively quick.  Oh not bullet quick, but probably blitz capable.

Honestly,  it is beginning to look like fall 2021 for us kickstarters with their last update. I would probably guess winter 2021 for mass market, or even spring 2022.   The microchip shortage and COVID-19 running rampant in India is adding additional delays on an already hyper-delayed product.

The Swap is advertised as fast enough for Blitz.  That's what I've been waiting for. 

 

visualdrome
sound67 wrote:

I bought a DGT Smartboard a few months ago, and I'm very happy with it. You can connect it to your PC or your smartphone (over OTG), and it works nicely with Fritz or Arena, or Chess for Android on the phone. 

The novelty of self-moving pieces on the Square Off wears thin very quickly. 

Hi, can you tell me the model name (or a link)?

Thanks

visualdrome
baddogno wrote:

Here you go.  The kickstarter campaign is long over, but the link should still work...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/infivention/square-off-neo-and-swap-board-games-powered-by-robotics-and-ai?ref=eska88&utm_source=SocialReferral&utm_medium=Referral&utm_campaign=Joseph

Oh and the Neo is only 1.5X faster.  My bad...

Hi, thanks for the link.

I can't find the "elo" level: do you know it?

visualdrome

What do you think about this one?

https://www.lexibook.com/en/cg1300-00-chessmanr-elite-electronic-chess-game-with-touch-sensitive-keyboard.html

It's 1800 Elo only: too weak?

It's 40€ on amazon.

baddogno

@Visualdrome:

Square off has 20 levels and uses Stockfish 10 with elo adjustable from 800 to 3300.

. What is the rating of the chess program?

We use Stockfish 10 with ELO rating ranging from 800 up to 3300 depending on the difficulty level.

 

visualdrome
sound67 wrote:

The cheapest version of it comes with plastic pieces, the same used for the DGT Centaur chess computer. 

There's an upgraded version with the timeless wooden set (German knights):

https://www.chessware.de/DGT-Smart-Board-PC-Brett-Z-B-Figuren-Timeless-Holz

I actually purchased the board here, but with a further upgrade to the Classic Wooden Pieces, which are also separately available. I just don't like German knights very much.

"baddogno wrote: @Visualdrome:

Square off has 20 levels and uses Stockfish 10 with elo adjustable from 800 to 3300.

 

So both on the 300€.

I Understand they are better then that one I linked (40€...).

My only doubt is: because I'm a "sunday player" (I play only when I met some friend who play chess, not so many, very few), maybe it's ok if I buy the chipest one (even if my friend tell me it's for children and I'll get bored in one month), for the moment, and, if I make progress, than I'll buy an other more expensive like yours.

What do you think about?

(sorry for my Tarzan english...)

binomine
visualdrome wrote:

What do you think about?

(sorry for my Tarzan english...)

Playing a computer opponent is nothing like playing a real life opponent. 

It's easy to make a computer play "good", but it is extremely difficult to make a computer play like a bad computer. 

Personally, if you're not willing to put in the cash, you're better off just playing online.

visualdrome
binomine wrote:
visualdrome wrote:

What do you think about?

(sorry for my Tarzan english...)

Playing a computer opponent is nothing like playing a real life opponent. 

It's easy to make a computer play "good", but it is extremely difficult to make a computer play like a bad computer. 

Personally, if you're not willing to put in the cash, you're better off just playing online.

For me too the best is a real game, with real opponents.

The problem is:

1) in my new town where I moved I don't have any chess player friend

2) I don't like to play on a screen as computer, mobile, tablet... (I'm a teacher and because the covid, I spent lot of time on the screen).

So I'm looking for a computer chess board

binomine
visualdrome wrote:
binomine wrote:
visualdrome wrote:

What do you think about?

(sorry for my Tarzan english...)

Playing a computer opponent is nothing like playing a real life opponent. 

It's easy to make a computer play "good", but it is extremely difficult to make a computer play like a bad computer. 

Personally, if you're not willing to put in the cash, you're better off just playing online.

For me too the best is a real game, with real opponents.

The problem is:

1) in my new town where I moved I don't have any chess player friend

2) I don't like to play on a screen as computer, mobile, tablet... (I'm a teacher and because the covid, I spent lot of time on the screen).

So I'm looking for a computer chess board

Well, my problems is:

1) Chess computers at your price point(40) are somewhat disappointing, mainly because they don't play very human.  

2) Chess computers that are online compatible are considerably more expensive, but do offer human play. They're much more satisfying and will last as long as you want to use them.

My personal opinion is you are better off playing on a screen than an inexpensive chess computer, even considering how much screen time you get,  but anything 1500+ ELO is plenty strong for you.  It will last you a long time before you can defeat it.   

visualdrome
binomine wrote: Well, my problems is:

1) Chess computers at your price point(40) are somewhat disappointing, mainly because they don't play very human.  

2) Chess computers that are online compatible are considerably more expensive, but do offer human play. They're much more satisfying and will last as long as you want to use them.

My personal opinion is you are better off playing on a screen than an inexpensive chess computer, even considering how much screen time you get,  but anything 1500+ ELO is plenty strong for you.  It will last you a long time before you can defeat it.   

Ok, thanks for clarifying me the situation: so I cancel the chip ones!

I'll wait for more money or I'll look for an old one (see the next post)

visualdrome
sound67 wrote:

The Lexibook computers are weak, nowhere near 1800 ELO. If you don't want to spend much, you'd be better off with an older Saitek Centurion, Mephisto Explorer, or a Mephisto Chess Academy. They play closer to 2000 ELO (not USCF ELO, real ELO). You can often find inexpensive ones in good condition for low prices. The engines are by Frans Morsch, the creator of Fritz. The Millennium Genius is even stronger, about 2200, with a Richard Lang engine. All these machines have levels for beginners and intermediate players, too. 

Great!! sound67; you anticipate my next post.

Where's the difference, "FOR ME", between a new computer chess board and an old one?

I found local old chess computer boards:

- Sensory Chess Challenger 8 (1980) 100€

- Mephisto Mondial 2 (1987) 75€

- Millennium Orion 2000 (2004) 40€

- Novag Opal Plus (19979 50€ (but it's very small)

- Mephisto Chess Trainer (2003) 45€

- Saitek Kasparov Cougar  (1998) 80€ (very small 20cm)

- SciSys Explorer Chess (1985) (1985) 100€

- Saitek Kasparov Virtuoso(1992) 50€

- Millennium Orion Intelligent Chess (2007) 40€

- Excalibur Kingmaster 2 (1997) 20€

- Saitek Kasparov Turbo Advanced Trainer (1992) 50€

Thanks!!!