DGT e-board VS Millennium Chess Computer
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Rubicon0367
Jan 26, 2020
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That answers my question, thank you TechomanSlade.
TechnomanSlade wrote:
Rubicon0367, I had never heard of this brand. It's neat. With the Pi and "open source" nature of the company, Certabo reminds me of amateur radio products. (Note they'll give you the files to 3D print your own chess set!)
I get the sense that this product probably requires a little more of a "maker" attitude, when compared to Millenium and DGT (effectively ready to go as a complete product). For example, you would make your chess pieces "readable" on the board by applying the included stickers (probably RFID tags) to it (or buying a set from the company).
Their software package is interesting. It seems to overlay on top of the browser and detects the moves based on the website, then transmits to the board's controlling computer (Mac/PC/Pi) to act on the moves. I'd be interested as to its stability, but this is a very elegant solution, and could be duplicated for nearly each of the electronic chess boards. It would be interesting to see if Lichess.org (or other sites that don't do well with other electronic boards due to their anti-cheating protocols) works well with this system.
As for "Roms", I'm guessing that they are the computer code used in those older computers, not just the engine. It's an interesting feature for sure, but this is exactly the type of feature that tells me that this is for a particular customer - one who is willing to play with the open source capabilities.
Sadly I just don't have the time for it, which is why I like products that provide a complete experience without too much additional work.
The Certabo can be as much or as little work as you want. I have no coding experience and will never do any open source fettling with the software, yet it is still usable. It can be as straightforward as buying a board and prices, downloading some software, connecting your board and playing. Just like the DGT. It works very well with all online platforms and I've never had any issues in that area. This is from an owner of 18 months.
jjupiter6, that's great to hear! It looks like a really neat device, and I'm happy that they're using the Pi as a computer (it tends to be highly supported by the open source crowd). If anything else, I'm all for multiple options for electronic boards on the market.
Have you used their software for playing on the Internet with browsers for chess.com or lichess.org? I'm interested in the stability of their product.
Technoman, I just posted to a 4 page thread on it, should be near the top of the queue now.
Jan 26, 2020
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#25
“15-Apr.-2019 Da Vinci the Certabo chess computer!
We are glad to announce we are launching our new Certabo Da Vinci the only electronic chess computer with pieces recognition which can be used as a digital eboard too!! Under a discreet design, a powerful computing section ready to be used with your phone via wifi). The easy access to the computing part allows also a very quick replacement of micro Sd and firmware upgrade for unlimited modding possibility a Download brochure here. Certabo Da Vinci the ultimate chess computer! The Certabo Da Vinci will be available soon for sale on our website, still some weeks to go Stay tuned!.”
So I wonder what is going on with this then?
We are glad to announce we are launching our new Certabo Da Vinci the only electronic chess computer with pieces recognition which can be used as a digital eboard too!! Under a discreet design, a powerful computing section ready to be used with your phone via wifi). The easy access to the computing part allows also a very quick replacement of micro Sd and firmware upgrade for unlimited modding possibility a Download brochure here. Certabo Da Vinci the ultimate chess computer! The Certabo Da Vinci will be available soon for sale on our website, still some weeks to go Stay tuned!.”
So I wonder what is going on with this then?
TechnomanSlade wrote:
Yes I have, with no problems.
jjupiter6, that's great to hear! It looks like a really neat device, and I'm happy that they're using the Pi as a computer (it tends to be highly supported by the open source crowd). If anything else, I'm all for multiple options for electronic boards on the market.
Have you used their software for playing on the Internet with browsers for chess.com or lichess.org? I'm interested in the stability of their product.
I just read through that Certabo thread. It seems like a fantastic device. I wish I had heard of it beforehand. The only concern I would have is via their online play (it could be "broken" in future website updates as it reads a particular part of the webpage during the game to translate the online moves to moves on the board), but at least they figured out a solution to the problem that didn't require the site programmers to develop the interface! Otherwise, it seems to be a top-notch product.
I just don't think that I'll be buying into any other electronic chess board ecosystems at this time, but if I was to purchase another one tomorrow it would be the Certabo.
Sadly, I'll have to keep advocating for chess.com to integrate the Millenium Chess Genius Exclusive via Chesslink!
Jan 27, 2020
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#28
This is the way it goes all the time though. One sits deciding what to purchase, makes the commitment and then learns of something new on the market.
I learned about the King Performance via Sound67 after I had purchased the Centaur. Before that I was considering purchasing the Millennium Chess Genius Pro (the smaller plastic board with metal pieces) but decided against it as I have several computers of the same or very similar form factor.
I did not think “ho no” when I learned of the King Performance because the Centaur is a completely different form factor to my current collection. The only three advantages for the KP over the Centaur for me would be a familiar level system, the ability to easily use two chessmen sets that are too big for my other computers and the ability to play 960 with Castling Rights. I likely would not try to use the computer online so all those issues would not affect me. The KP though is too pricy for the minor advantages.
I think had I bought the Chess Genius Pro at the price it was then and learned of the Centaur or King Performance then I would have been a bit glum.
I learned about the King Performance via Sound67 after I had purchased the Centaur. Before that I was considering purchasing the Millennium Chess Genius Pro (the smaller plastic board with metal pieces) but decided against it as I have several computers of the same or very similar form factor.
I did not think “ho no” when I learned of the King Performance because the Centaur is a completely different form factor to my current collection. The only three advantages for the KP over the Centaur for me would be a familiar level system, the ability to easily use two chessmen sets that are too big for my other computers and the ability to play 960 with Castling Rights. I likely would not try to use the computer online so all those issues would not affect me. The KP though is too pricy for the minor advantages.
I think had I bought the Chess Genius Pro at the price it was then and learned of the Centaur or King Performance then I would have been a bit glum.
Jan 27, 2020
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#29
sound67 wrote:
Rubicon0367 hat geschrieben:
Before that I was considering purchasing the Millennium Chess Genius Pro (the smaller plastic board with metal pieces)
Fake metal. They're just plastic with a chrome lacquer finish.
Ah, thank for the heads up. I genuinely thought they were metal.
So which was purchased in the end?
Could anyone with the knowledge please explain what exactly this means?:
"only electronic chess computer with pieces recognition which can be used as a digital eboard too"
Appreciated. Im trying to decide between certabo and dgt eboard and i am a noob so i'm having a really hard time with it, plus i want to get it done before black friday deals end.
1. Piece recognition - each of the chess pieces can be uniquely identified by the electronic board regardless of when the piece is placed on the board. E.g. black pawn, black queen, white knight, white king. DGT was the first to market with this feature.
2. Digital eboard - You can connect the Millennium Exclusive or King Performance to a computer via USB or use their ChessLink to connect to an Android tablet or computer via Bluetooth. You can then use the board and pieces to move the pieces for the 2D board in the supported app, website or application. This is the primary function of both Certabo and DGT's flagship products.
3. The Only electronic chess computer - Millennium can claim this because their King Performance is a dedicated chess computer which can be set to interface with a tablet or computer. DGT's only dedicated chess computer with piece recognition, the Centaur, cannot be interfaced.
hi thank you. I was actually referring only to the certabo.
this was a quote from a post above:
"We are glad to announce we are launching our new Certabo Da Vinci the only electronic chess computer with pieces recognition which can be used as a digital eboard too!! "
When i read that it made it look like the certabo davinci included a board (otherwise how could it be both a chess computer and a digital eboard?). I was confused by that because on the certabo web it does not, so the davinci on its own could not also be an eboard.
Yes. That is not an accurate statement. The Da Vinci is a chess computer running off a Raspberry Pi 4B. The Certabo electronic board itself is separate from the Da Vinci. You'll need to get them both to have a stand-alone electronic chess computer and not use any of your existing tablets, phones or computers.