i have the FCO:Fundamental Chess Openings very good book for opening i reccomend that one since i do not know the other one
FCO or Batsford chess openings?
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First time i heard of Batsford Chess Openings. Have to check it out.
I do not think their exist a book that will teach you some ideas behsing every move of every opening. Just listing every opening and their variations is a task in it self.
I suggest you list the openings if it not too many and maybe you can get help that way as you can only study so many openings at one time and learn them properly.
While your waiting for responses their have been other forums in the past on a similar subject. The study of a certain opening is not your real problem but study of what to do in the opening is how you will improve your chess game. Great list of book in past forums.
what i have seen about the Batsford chess opening is that it seem to have a foolow up called Batsford chess opening 2 so you will probably have to buy both books , the other one that i have FCO:Fundamental chess opening is very complete and you will have all the explanation that you need to play an opening very effectively
kilimigir wrote:
what i have seen about the Batsford chess opening is that it seem to have a foolow up called Batsford chess opening 2 so you will probably have to buy both books , the other one that i have FCO:Fundamental chess opening is very complete and you will have all the explanation that you need to play an opening very effectively
No such book exist for all the openings and their variations.
Chess.com players are notorious for getting out the book move #3 - #5. I will be witness to the variations of openings they make up. Then when i go look it up i can not find it nowhere. So i know it must have a flaw in it. Now if your playing blitz and or bullet this is a problem. Otherwise take your time and for the moment find the best move.
Now after a game as just descriped you want to find out objectives were and prepare for when it will arise again and it rise up as chess.com is site where if something works every body tries it.
I found looking for types of openings to solve this problem as openings are put into types which makes it easier to understand them. Then one can evaluate the situation on the board and make educated moves.
almost all the variation are on the FCO:Fundamental Chess Openings sure the
obscure one are not in it but just an example for the chapter on the Sicilian it goes from page 389 to 447 so just for that opening i think it is complete enough sure you can buy a book for the sicilian where everything will be in it but if you want almost all the opening fron e4 d4 and flanks with variation they are in that book and i know because i have it
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the english opening should be more complete but you have enough explanantion on the book to play it properly
Fco is not an encyclopedia where you have all the variation and no explanation it is the contrary like i said you will have enough info to play an opening properly with that book 480 pages so it is fairly complete
anyway don't take my word for it take a look and commentary on it on the web
Silman recommends FCO, that's good enough for me.
kilimigir wrote:
almost all the variation are on the FCO:Fundamental
Chess Openings sure the obscure one are not in it but just an example for the chapter on the Sicilian it goes from page 389 to 447 so just for that opening i think it is complete enough sure you can buy a book for the sicilian where everything will be in it but if you want almost all the opening fron e4 d4 and flanks with variation they are in that book and i know because i have it
Do not forget with details. "Almost"... you have that part right.
Think about it if a book had all of the openings then no more books would need to be written on openings at all. Since FCO has been published several books on openings have been published and sold.
On the Sicilian .... name the the types i dare you then list the number of variations for each. I will come back here tommorrow at same time to see if you done it. That is how long it would take. Plus i have played various types of the Sicilian to start the Dragon, Accelerated Dragon, Najdorf and etc. I play Vote Chess and see something new in Sicilian in about every other game it is played on both sides of the board.
After numerous times of trying to learn a new opening i figure the process would go faster if i learned the principles of Opening Play. I put into action by trying several openings that i did not have a clue of their main lines and it worked pretty good by winning a consecutive games the first time out. I am now in the process myself of learning 3 new openings. I just asked players that played that opening to post some of their games which saves me money. As they post games they won and they are more than glad to do so.
expand wrote:
Silman recommends FCO, that's good enough for me.
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For who? The beginer, 1300, 1500, <1700?
As a good refernce yes. But he never recommended this book to learn how to play in the opening. I have his books and starts of with the Imbalances page 1. Plus when he does mention playing an opening he wants players to play something they never played before or scared to play to get stronger. He thinks it is a good idea for players to start off with e4 openings to learn how to develop.
Batsford C O 2 is very good.It is an update of the previous edition not a companion to it.There are no explanation for moves. Openings are laid out in a grid formation and all viable deviations are given , usually to a depth of 12-15 moves.
kilimigir wrote:
Fco is not an encyclopedia where you have all the variation and no explanation it is the contrary like i said you will have enough info to play an opening properly with that book 480 pages so it is fairly complete
anyway don't take my word for it take a look and commentary on it on the web
480 pages and chess.com has 1,000 variations (Openings w/their variations) listed and they do not have all of them. 520 are missing.... that is per page. A variation per page that is not even right. 1,000 variations. on a page .......3 pages each is more like it....3,000 pages. I think your about to get your world rocked when you start playing more games.
ATV-STEVE wrote:
Batsford C O 2 is very good.It is an update of the previous edition not a companion to it.There are no explanation for moves. Openings are laid out in a grid formation and all viable deviations are given , usually to a depth of 12-15 moves.
When was it published?
My interest in this book is because it was never mentioned on this site till now from my experience anyway. So what they do not know is good for me and bad for them that is the best value for a book until most of your opponents start reading it.
BCO2 came out in 1989.
It's a typical book from when we didn't know better yet -- tables and tables of moves, with only a few paragraphs of text per major opening (1 page with a general overview for the Sicilian, 1 page for the Grunfeld, etc) that don't explain much. The tables are outdated and not much better than a database dump anyway.
FCO (from 2009), on the other hand, is a book filled with text. No tables here, not even many lines. It explains in words what the ideas behind all the opening lines are, what was tried first, why it didn't work, what was tried after that... I think it's a great book just to read for pleasure and a great way to learn what opening theory is about.
kikvors wrote:
BCO2 came out in 1989.
It's a typical book from when we didn't know better yet -- tables and tables of moves, with only a few paragraphs of text per major opening (1 page with a general overview for the Sicilian, 1 page for the Grunfeld, etc) that don't explain much. The tables are outdated and not much better than a database dump anyway.
FCO (from 2009), on the other hand, is a book filled with text. No tables here, not even many lines. It explains in words what the ideas behind all the opening lines are, what was tried first, why it didn't work, what was tried after that... I think it's a great book just to read for pleasure and a great way to learn what opening theory is about.
Thank you!
If possible it's worth getting FCO on an electronic device as their are more board diagrams and hyperlinks to game variations. For a beginner it is a good book giving brief history of opening and why a particular move is made.
ok i will stop here you are right you win royalbishop thats why i mention encyclopedia of chess opening where they are all mention and as for playing more i am sorry , yes it is true i do not have your rating but as for playing more just go check at how many games i played since i am with chess.com and before i was with chesscube and i am playing chess since i am eleven so i am sorry but before telling me to play more just go check my stat and i know i don't have a big rating but if you really want to know how i play just ask me for a friendly challenge
I 'd like to buy a book to help me on preparing against some variations and at the same time being a book in which I can find some ideas behind every move. I want to ba able to learn the main lines also !
Which of those 2 books to you suggest me to buy ??
a)FCO:Fundamental Chess Openings or
b)Batsford Chess Openings
Thank's in advance for your reponces!!