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TundraMike

Is it legal or illegal for sites to have free downloads of chess books.  I am new to this site and coming back to chess after 40 years.   I am surprised so many downloads are available for free for chess books. What gives in this world?  No one respects copyrights?  I keep seeing links to downloads on here that I never thought would exist.  If I wrote a chess book and 6 months later someone has it on their web site I would be very angry and seek legal action.  I guess having eBooks facilitates this in a way that it is already in electronic form.  

Maybe someone can enlighten me. 

htdavidht

The basics are this:

1- it is not ilegal to have listing of links that point to copyrigthed material. There have being several atepms to have this ilegal, the last one was the so call SOPA, and it fail, have it pass there would not be google today.

2. The website is not responsable for what people post, they do moderate, but they are limited to their resources. So as long as they have some line somewhere saying they no responsible and they do efords to cooperate with the owners of the material, when brough to the attention of the website, then there is not problem. So for example users upload pictures on the forums, profile pictures and so on... many of those files are not open license and most likely someone, somewhere, have the rights for them, as long as they are user uploaded, it is not iligal for the website to host those files. As long as they take them down accordenly to standard legal practices.

2. Some users dont care about copyrigths, they will freely share as they want, and they don't care and/or don't know about the legal status of each single file.

3. The owner of the infrigting material can take legal action, this is trough a DMCA, wich is a very simple procces on wich the owner of the material will send a "take down" notice to the webmaster, and the website staff will consider the situation, more likely they will disable the information to public access and contact the user who posted it to see if he want to counter the DMCA, usually they don't counter, but eventually someone does. Whae happend in most cases is they leave until someone else post the material againg, or the same person with diferent account name post againg. As this can turn out to be a very constant situation, when website reach certainly size they will have staff members dedicated only to this job. However it is, websites (as many companies do) usually work on the basis of dealing with problems when they apear, than preventing the problems to happend.

3. If the person decides to counter, for example knowing that the copyrigth expired or so (there is a lot of exeptions to copyright, and a lot of tricky legal wording on it)... in this case the person sending the "take down" notice can face serius legal consequences, as in being accused of filing a fraudulent DMCA to restrict the first ammendment right of someone.

And this is the reason why in many stances they will not file up DMCAs bacause if successful it will take down the material for some time, if fail it will potentially means years on prison.

Retired_Account

I'd say many chess books have passed into public domain at this point, and are free to distribute.

TundraMike

Thanks to all that responded or will respond.  I had no idea about all the practices and legalities.  The age of the internet.  I don't care for eBooks and I will not download and print out a 450 page book as i would spend more for the ink and then a binding. I like having a library. Oh well.

PearlFey
wiscmike wrote:

Is it legal or illegal for sites to have free downloads of chess books.  I am new to this site and coming back to chess after 40 years.   I am surprised so many downloads are available for free for chess books. What gives in this world?  No one respects copyrights?  I keep seeing links to downloads on here that I never thought would exist.  If I wrote a chess book and 6 months later someone has it on their web site I would be very angry and seek legal action.  I guess having eBooks facilitates this in a way that it is already in electronic form.  

Maybe someone can enlighten me. 

Guess what, American, not every country is yours.  Good luck seeking American legal action against a Belgium kid hosting your book on a Chinese "archive" server.

Most laws aren't universal, certainly not data censorship laws.

andy277
htdavidht wrote:

… if [DMCAs] fail it will potentially means years on prison.

Far more likely a fine. If the DMCA was not knowingly fraudulently filed, I wouldn't see anyone going to prison.

Disgruntled_Sheep
PearlFey wrote:

Guess what, American, not every country is yours.  Good luck seeking American legal action against a Belgium kid hosting your book on a Chinese "archive" server.

Most laws aren't universal, certainly not data censorship laws.

This reminds me of when "second life" started to become popular and it raised loads of legal questions as people were making a living from selling things for real money. Most questions were in regards to taxes. So many arguments were almost word perfect of what you just said!! Laughing

PearlFey

How'd they ever sort that out?

andy277
PearlFey wrote:

Most laws aren't universal, certainly not data censorship laws.

SInce when did copyright become "data censorship"?

PearlFey

Since they were covered under censoring data.

913Glorax12
PearlFey wrote:
wiscmike wrote:
QUESTION

Guess what, American, not every country is yours.  Good luck seeking American legal action against a Belgium kid hosting your book on a Chinese "archive" server.

Most laws aren't universal, certainly not data censorship laws.

Why not? Shouldn't it be? ;)

Blah_blahh

Awh.! Cmon. This is just a chess site. Its internet. Musicians & artists face the same problem. Record a music today, tomorrow anonymous users will give it away for free on internet, if its "not that bad".

RonaldJosephCote

                       There IS such a thing as International Copyright, but it would probably cost you a fortune trying to enforce it on a $10. chess book.

andy277
PearlFey wrote:

Since they were covered under censoring data.

What does that mean?

913Glorax12

Just nod your head and say "Uh Huh". It is a proven system

andy277
913Glorax12 wrote:

Just nod your head and say "Uh Huh". It is a proven system

Classic!

PearlFey

I really liked that post.

Disgruntled_Sheep
PearlFey wrote:

How'd they ever sort that out?

I don't think they ever did. Last I heard it was all riddled with hackers and political discussion. It may still exist... But I think it hangs out with Myspace down at the rejects pub these days.

mrhjornevik
913Glorax12 wrote:
PearlFey wrote:
wiscmike wrote:
QUESTION

Guess what, American, not every country is yours.  Good luck seeking American legal action against a Belgium kid hosting your book on a Chinese "archive" server.

Most laws aren't universal, certainly not data censorship laws.

Why not? Shouldn't it be? ;)

But if were were to take national internet laws and make them univercal which should we take? 

913Glorax12

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