Man Ray Series II, Series III, and Samarcande by Hermes Reproduction

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phungbest

Is there any chess manufacturers that reproduce a more affordable version of these three designs.

Note the two Man Ray designs are very different from the one currently available

1) Man Ray Series II:

https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-5971061

2) Man Ray Series III:

http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2016/bowie-collector-part-ii-modern-contemporary-art-day-auction-l16148/lot.141.html

3) Samarcande by Hermes

https://www.hermes.com/au/en/product/samarcande-chess-game-H311949Mv01/

Any of the Indian supplier able to reproduces those sets?

Thanks 

crusaderwabbet

My grandson said that Man Ray  was on Sponge Bob.

lighthouse
phungbest wrote:

Is there any chess manufacturers that reproduce a more affordable version of these three designs.

Note the two Man Ray designs are very different from the one currently available

1) Man Ray Series II:

https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-5971061

2) Man Ray Series III:

http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2016/bowie-collector-part-ii-modern-contemporary-art-day-auction-l16148/lot.141.html

3) Samarcande by Hermes

https://www.hermes.com/au/en/product/samarcande-chess-game-H311949Mv01/

Any of the Indian supplier able to reproduces those sets?

Thanks 

https://store.moma.org/kids/toys-games/man-ray-chess-pieces/102040-102040.html

This is the one from MOMA .

https://www.chesshouse.com/collections/man-ray-chess-set & this one from  chess house

https://www.chess-site.com/chess-sets/man-ray-chess-set/

Strange that Bowie had such a cheap board to go with His ManRay chess set wink.png

greghunt

I haven't seen the Man Ray designs you linked to reproduced anywhere.  They will enforce licensing so the number of producers will either pay licensing or risk (as happens now and then with the Max Ernst set) being sued by the artists heirs, both options tend to keep the cost up.  The Hermes is a lovely set, and I think I have seen it second hand for much less than the full retail, but its also going to be a protected design. 

TheOneCalledMichael

Wow, 100.000 pounds? What makes it so special?

phungbest
greghunt wrote:

I haven't seen the Man Ray designs you linked to reproduced anywhere.  They will enforce licensing so the number of producers will either pay licensing or risk (as happens now and then with the Max Ernst set) being sued by the artists heirs, both options tend to keep the cost up.  The Hermes is a lovely set, and I think I have seen it second hand for much less than the full retail, but its also going to be a protected design. 

What about all the reproduction of the Bauhaus set by Josef HartWig? and the Man Ray version you see that everybody seems to carry. There is also an Alexander Calder design which I am sure is not very marketable. 

greghunt

The Man Ray Trust seem to be actively defending their rights, that someone else isn't (or may not have anyone to do it) is a different matter.  One of the links above actually says that the Man Ray reproduction set is licensed.

phungbest
greghunt wrote:

The Man Ray Trust seem to be actively defending their rights, that someone else isn't (or may not have anyone to do it) is a different matter.  One of the links above actually says that the Man Ray reproduction set is licensed.

I thought and may be wrong that there is a limitation of 50-75 years before a work to become Public Domain. To be use by anyone? The two sets I was referred to was dated 1945-1946. 

lighthouse
phungbest wrote:
greghunt wrote:

The Man Ray Trust seem to be actively defending their rights, that someone else isn't (or may not have anyone to do it) is a different matter.  One of the links above actually says that the Man Ray reproduction set is licensed.

I thought and may be wrong that there is a limitation of 50-75 years before a work to become Public Domain. To be use by anyone? The two sets I was referred to was dated 1945-1946. 

No after the dead of the Artist , Copyright would  pass on to the heirs , In his case all works handle by the manray Trust .wink.png

againseriously
I like the currently-offered Man Ray and Bauhaus sets quite a bit, but can’t quite justify that much for a set without extra queens. Or does one or both actually come with extra queens? The descriptions I’ve seen don’t mention this...
greghunt
againseriously wrote:
I like the currently-offered Man Ray and Bauhaus sets quite a bit, but can’t quite justify that much for a set without extra queens. Or does one or both actually come with extra queens? The descriptions I’ve seen don’t mention this...

Do the extra queens really matter?  How often do you get to that state?  I saw a Max Ernst set advertised with extra queens but in that set those pieces are actually kings, it was so difficult to resist buying it happy.png

Audioq
greghunt wrote:
againseriously wrote:
I like the currently-offered Man Ray and Bauhaus sets quite a bit, but can’t quite justify that much for a set without extra queens. Or does one or both actually come with extra queens? The descriptions I’ve seen don’t mention this...

Do the extra queens really matter?  How often do you get to that state?  I saw a Max Ernst set advertised with extra queens but in that set those pieces are actually kings, it was so difficult to resist buying it

An extra king is just what I need! Or even a wild "Joker" like in playing cards. 😃

againseriously
It’s true, the queens aren’t really a practical issue. It’s just a feeling thing, when much less expensive sets routinely come with that feature. Or, I’m looking for ways to talk myself out of buying more sets that I need even less than the other ones I don’t need.
harthacnut
greghunt wrote:

The Man Ray Trust seem to be actively defending their rights, that someone else isn't (or may not have anyone to do it) is a different matter.  One of the links above actually says that the Man Ray reproduction set is licensed.

Yes; look at what happened with the Marcel Duchamp set a few years back. Where estates are reasonably alert, they will almost always take action, since failure to enforce can (depending on jurisdiction) amount to waiver of rights over the IP. At least (and unlike the Duchamp) the Man Ray set can actually be bought, even if at a higher price than one might ideally like.

phungbest

There are 50 of these.

www.prahladbubbar.com/research/chess-set-and-table-by-man-ray/

It would be nice if someone decide to reproduce them in wood.