Mysterious chess set: a challenge

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Pacoches

Hello. I am an spanish journalist interested in the chess. Please, I need your know how. Can you know what chess set is in this picture? It's the match between Fischer and Arturo Pomar in the Interzonal of Stockholm in 1962. If you find it, can you tell me if you have this pieces (or replica) anf if I can buy them?
Thank you very much.
Paco 

Ps: the pictures i here or in this link:

http://www.levante-emv.com/deportes/2016/05/28/muere-arturo-pomar-nino-prodigio/1424474.html

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ganz_unten

hello, 

you are wrong, that is not Fischer.

This is Bellon Vs Pomar. In 1969. Bellon won btw.

Here you have same match different angle:

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The match was the Spanish championship. Moran, Bellon y Pomar were ahead.

It was played in Navalmoral de la Mata, Caceres. 

Bellon won, the game and championship.

 

Here you have a newspaper from that year that talks about the championship: http://hemeroteca.abc.es/nav/Navigate.exe/hemeroteca/madrid/abc/1969/11/01/073.html

 

Not sure about the pieces, maybe a spanish old set or a french one. If I fnd anything I will post it.

 

Best regards

 

Edited: The match IS the spanish championship. The pieces are mostly sure a variant of the Indajesa Design.

You could even ask Bellon in facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012313125886&lst=100003830058202%3A100012313125886%3A1490656408&sk=photos

 The place in which they played is the Moralo Club in Navalmoral de la Mata:

https://www.facebook.com/pg/clubmoralodeajedrez/photos/?ref=page_internal

 

ganz_unten

4 years before Pomar did this simultaneous game...

I would say it is the same set:

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Not indajesa... I would say these chess sets no longer exist. Maybe Escardibul, Marigo or similar.

User BurnAmos is an expert, he knows a lot. You can search his posts in the forum, maybe you will find it:

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/spanish-chess-sets-7

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/spanish-chess-sets-3---controversy-or-not

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/spanish-chess-sets-2-and-misteries

ganz_unten

mostly sure it is this one:

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Not sure about the manufacturer ...

 

Edit: The most similar one that I have found selling:

http://www.todocoleccion.net/juegos-mesa/antiguo-ajedrez-oficial-stauton-n-4-anos-60~x80926995

 

Unfortunately it has glass eyes and the black king finial is broken. Unless you are a vintage collector I rather go for a modern Indajesa 

Pacoches

Thanks, ganz-unten!

my mistake is very big, sorry.

So, do you know if there is some pictures about the match beetween Arturo Pomar and Fischer in the Interzonal of STockholm 1962?

And, if you know, what chess set they use in this match?

it's difficult, I know, this challenge...

thank you very much.

ganz_unten

Well.. not an easy question.

I made a search and didn't find any photo of the 5th Interzonal in Stockholm. So no success in the search of Pomar-Fischer photo. 

About the chess set, even I haven't found any photo I could make a guess... 

Taking photos of all fide events in the sixties they seem to be played with the same exact set. So in an interzonal even you should not expect a different thing.

So, for example Rudolf Teschner in Nederlands in 1960

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Pal Benko in Nederlands in 1964 

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And even Arturo Pomar in Nederlands in 1972

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At this point my first though was that it could be a set from the Nederlands, as all these photos are from the same place. But just looking the candidates from that year in Curaçao...

 

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And if you just look Fischer knight... it is exactly the same. So, I have no reason to think they could have change it for the interzonal ... what do you think?

Pacoches

I think that you are a crack!

yes, the most probably is that you have reason.

and, the final question: what chess set is this? What is its name and how can I buy it today? IS it Staunton? What model?

thank you, ganz-unten, thank you...

ganz_unten

Well, it is an easy task and not easy at the same time. The model is a normal Staunton

A bad thing. I don't know any current manufacturer doing anything similar.

A good thing. It is relatively easy to find these sets on internet second-hand market. Most of them are House of Martin, Gibson, even Sondico.

A bad thing. They are all slightly different. the bishops are rounder and they have slightly fatter knights. And mainly, they are smaller. In the smallest ones the differences are bigger. So it is difficult to find something similar to a staunton 5. 

A good thing. They are cheap, no more than 50-60€

There is a Gibson model in 88mm, unweighted and non-felted. 

Anyway, all of this is just speculation from my side. You should do some careful research before investing any money. It would be also great if any other member with more knowledge could comment on this topic. 

 

A house of Martin:

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A Sondico:

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A Gibson:

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Pacoches

Ok, ganz.

thank you, your help has been very important for me.

I'll continue in my research.

nice to meet you!

ganz_unten

Un placer!!

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universityofpawns

Arturo Pomar Salamanca was his full name: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessplayer?pid=26577

here is the 1962 game Fischer vs Salamanca, ended in a draw:

 

IpswichMatt

Similar set on ebay here that claims to be 1960's:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1960s-Boxwood-Staunton-Chess-Set-Staunton-Chess-Men-Vintage-Chess-Pieces-Set/302055373847?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D888007%26algo%3DDISC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D40656%26meid%3Dfae718a8eff44377a19330604d8b4cde%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D2%26sd%3D152479099925

ganz_unten

 

Good set, although it is smaller and coarser, it has less detail in general if you compare it to the tournament photos. The only ones that I saw that resemble a similar quality and size to those photos are, so far, Gibson and some House of Martin.

cgrau
I'd say it resembles French Phidias sets of the sixties and seventies. Small versions of them are always on EBay. Search Phidias chess and French chess.
Ronbo710

The 1972 pic of GM Pomar is a Revanche set and it was used at the IBM tournaments in Amsterdam in the 1960's and 1970's. A member here showed me his set he bought at one of these tournaments. It is similar to the Gibson only larger 90mm plus Kings. Here is a picture of his set and board he also got at the tournament and some pics of the IBM players you will recognize ...




IpswichMatt

1 Timman?

2 ?

3 Miles

4 Karpov?!

IpswichMatt

Number 3 is definitely Tony Miles - did a google search and that same picture was amongst the top hits.

So we've identified them all! That was easy

jacmater

The first chess set you are talking about could be made by an spanish factory called "industrias del ajedrez" born in 1935 (now called Mora Viraf). They are still making chess pieces and currently make sets very similar to the one we are discussing. You can ask them if you want here: http://www.mora-viraf.com/ajedrez

jacmater
haha, yeah, it seems they are more focused on making pieces than on web pages happy.png
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They do not sell directly, only to distributors. You can find their products here:
 

but not the exact set we are talking about. It looks like it’s an old set they maybe could manufacture time ago, but I don't actually know
 
jacmater
well, i finally asked them and they replied that they think it is not a set of theirs, they do not recognize the knight and they say they have always made the same design. So...I'm sorry I thought it could be possible made by them.