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forked_again
forked_again wrote:

I'll chime in on the antiquing discussion by saying that new boxwood used for an 1849 reproduction looks completely inappropriate to me.  No matter what you think about the different antiquing jobs looking too yellow, too orange, too dark, or whatever, to me they all look better than plain new boxwood.  I have the Staunton castle distressed Morphy set and when I look at it it is a convincing repro of an old chess set.  I know not all of them look that good but if you are trying to repro an antique you should try to make it look like an antique IMO.  Again just my opinion, in contrast to some of the others posted here.  To each their own.  

Here's what I'm talking about.  Images of a real antique vs my Staunton Castle distressed Morphy set.  I'm not saying it could pass as the real thing, but when you look at it, it evokes the "feel" of a chess set used in the mid 1800's.  That's the whole point of a reproduction IMO.   It goes beyond the "shape" of the pieces.  I could probably convince a non-chess piece fanatic that my set is 170 years old (maybe if they were not too bright happy.png )



MCH818
Bamboo58 wrote:
MCH818 wrote:
againseriously wrote:
I also was a bit bummed by the very dark antiquing when I received my HOS Anderssen. But then I started thinking of it as “butterscotch” instead of white, and I like it. The mind is a funny thing...

I agree. I tried to get used to a distressed set before when Mandeep sent me the distressed version of the 3.5" Morphy set. I just could not love it. It was substantially darker than Frank's Anderssen, but I think it sealed the deal for me when it comes to anything except plain boxwood. I think I might have been able to get use to the antiqued/distressed finish if I received Frank's set first. Oh well.

 

I think an antiqued finish is fine for others and I can certainly understand why some would want it especially for reproductions of old sets. It just isn't for me.

Yes. Thats the set I have as mentioned above. I was disappointed at first with the antique look. But if you look at the list of original Knights posted above, the 1855 to 1860 Anderssen knight is similar to the reproduction. 

The main reason I picked the Anderssen set is because the reproduction looks very similar to the original. Also, ebony pieces were really awesome. It was too bad I didn't like the finish. The set as a whole was very nice.

MCH818
forked_again wrote:

I'll chime in on the antiquing discussion by saying that new boxwood used for an 1849 reproduction looks completely inappropriate to me.  No matter what you think about the different antiquing jobs looking too yellow, too orange, too dark, or whatever, to me they all look better than plain new boxwood.  I have the Staunton castle distressed Morphy set and when I look at it it is a convincing repro of an old chess set.  I know not all of them look that good but if you are trying to repro an antique you should try to make it look like an antique IMO.  Again just my opinion, in contrast to some of the others posted here.  To each their own.  

I like plain boxwood but I don't blame you for liking the opposite. I have to admit that I do like the distressed finish for your SC Morphy set. Your set has the right shade of brown and just enough bits of blackened areas. It looks good. However, I still like plain boxwood. That's just me.

TundraMike
MCH818 wrote:
forked_again wrote:

I'll chime in on the antiquing discussion by saying that new boxwood used for an 1849 reproduction looks completely inappropriate to me.  No matter what you think about the different antiquing jobs looking too yellow, too orange, too dark, or whatever, to me they all look better than plain new boxwood.  I have the Staunton castle distressed Morphy set and when I look at it it is a convincing repro of an old chess set.  I know not all of them look that good but if you are trying to repro an antique you should try to make it look like an antique IMO.  Again just my opinion, in contrast to some of the others posted here.  To each their own.  

I like plain boxwood but I don't blame you for liking the opposite. I have to admit that I do like the distressed finish for your SC Morphy set. Your set has the right shade of brown and just enough bits of blackened areas. It looks good. However, I still like plain boxwood. That's just me.

I also like plain boxwood. I would rather put my own patina on the pieces than have them made to look that way. I figure in about 170 years my plain boxwood set will look antiqued.  happy.png

MCH818
TundraMike wrote:
 

I also like plain boxwood. I would rather put my own patina on the pieces than have them made to look that way. I figure in about 170 years my plain boxwood set will look antiqued. 

Haha! I couldn't agree more.

Powderdigit
I am not in the market for these sets but I find the discussion interesting. These are the two 1849 repro sets that attract me … In truth I’d need to see them in the flesh to be sure.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8qegaBJ_8fY

And

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NwmKm8dko4s

I think the latter video is my preference but there’s something about the distressed look too. That’s said - I think some other sets (or at least photos of sets) appear quite yellow and I am not such fan of that but again, each to their own. The skill is somehow to try an emulate that dirty patina of 160 years … a reasonably hard trick to be sure.
forked_again
Powderdigit wrote:
I am not in the market for these sets but I find the discussion interesting. These are the two 1849 repro sets that attract me … In truth I’d need to see them in the flesh to be sure.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8qegaBJ_8fY

And

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NwmKm8dko4s

I think the latter video is my preference but there’s something about the distressed look too. That’s said - I think some other sets (or at least photos of sets) appear quite yellow and I am not such fan of that but again, each to their own. The skill is somehow to try an emulate that dirty patina of 160 years … a reasonably hard trick to be sure.

If you were in the market, seeing them in the flesh would be ideal, but most people don't get that option.  Most people have to decide based on internet pictures.  

In this case I think I agree that I like the antiqued set  better than the distressed.  I think it was Staunton castle making the sets for OS at the time, ai remember the SC distressed looked identical to that.  But soon after that, SC improved their technique and the distressing is now more subtle and uniform, as you can see from the picture of my set above.

greghunt
magictwanger wrote:

I don't see anything wrong with the job O.S. did with the antiquing of my Limited Edition 1849 set......Guess that's just me,because I was blown away with the first glimpse of it.....Still am.

A few weeks ago OS said that they were using a different, more natural ageing process for their box pieces.  I'd suspect oxygen and UV rather than a coloured stain or finish.  

magictwanger

Too late for me...No biggie as far as I'm concerned,though I'm sure it's super nice.

KineticPawn
magictwanger wrote:

I got kinda' lucky when one of my "orangey" C.B. 1849  Staunton pieces developed a crack a while ago.....They redid the entire set of white pieces and the newer ones came in perfectly....No more orange-ish coloration....At the time,I felt that this was one time where the overall inconsistency from C.B. worked in my favor.

Btw, I love the subtle antique finish of my O.S. 1849 Limited Edition Staunton set and LOVE Official Staunton as an overall company!

Who else decides to give a customer something worth twice the price,out of simple goodness of heart?

Too bad I've sworn off anymore new chess sets......I own enough.-

That's very good to know.  That orangey CB shade was the only one which I didn't like.  I'm very well aligned with your sentiments on antiquing. I enjoy the spectrum of antique shades from my OS Limited Edition espresso color to my SC tea shades. I just didn't like the old orangey CB antiquing but now I probably checkout their Soviet sets while I wait my turn for a NOJ Tal set.  

againseriously
I just wish it was more common for these sets to be offered with the choice of plain boxwood or antiqued/distressed. What I really want is a set that captures the aesthetic and feel of a classic set when it was new, as if I were actually playing with it in the 19th century. From that point of view, an “antique” set (whether real or simulated) is a compromise, and a repro is an opportunity to get around that compromise and have something like a time machine experience. But I must be in the minority, because most of the options on the market are geared towards an antique experience.
TheOneCalledMichael

@mister again nah you're not alone. Count me in also for plain boxwood just like several people already mentioned this few post above.

forked_again
againseriously wrote:
I just wish it was more common for these sets to be offered with the choice of plain boxwood or antiqued/distressed. What I really want is a set that captures the aesthetic and feel of a classic set when it was new, as if I were actually playing with it in the 19th century. From that point of view, an “antique” set (whether real or simulated) is a compromise, and a repro is an opportunity to get around that compromise and have something like a time machine experience. But I must be in the minority, because most of the options on the market are geared towards an antique experience.

Since these sets are, or can be, made to order, you can try requesting plain boxwood even if it isn't offered as part of their line.  There's a thread here where Staunton Castle provided a plain boxwood Dubrovnik set even though they're catalog only had a antiqued version.

KineticPawn

@againseriously you can contact the companies and they'll make it for you. Especially since it's easy for them to actually just skip the antiquing step on a a set.  Even more involved custom orders are accepted.  @TheOneCalledMichael is particularly familiar with these "off menu" orders.  I remember that Padauk SC Dubrovnik thread that made me immediately send Mandeep a request of my own even though it's still not a regularly advertised option. 

againseriously
Yes, I might look into that at some point. Thanks for the tip...
RichardHG
KineticPawn wrote:

@againseriously you can contact the companies and they'll make it for you. Especially since it's easy for them to actually just skip the antiquing step on a a set.  Even more involved custom orders are accepted.  @TheOneCalledMichael is particularly familiar with these "off menu" orders.  I remember that Padauk SC Dubrovnik thread that made me immediately send Mandeep a request of my own even though it's still not a regularly advertised option. 

True. SC will accommodate variations in stains and woods. Although I haven't tried to order unadvertised woods from The Chess Empire, I recently acquired two normally stained ebony sets that I requested be unstained. The owner accommodated that request at no charge. I just had to wait a few extra days because a set had to be specially made, instead of being pulled off the shelf.

magictwanger

I think sooner or later everything ultimately pops up .....Sometimes you just have to wait it out.

azbobcat
againseriously wrote:
I just wish it was more common for these sets to be offered with the choice of plain boxwood or antiqued/distressed. What I really want is a set that captures the aesthetic and feel of a classic set when it was new, as if I were actually playing with it in the 19th century. From that point of view, an “antique” set (whether real or simulated) is a compromise, and a repro is an opportunity to get around that compromise and have something like a time machine experience. But I must be in the minority, because most of the options on the market are geared towards an antique experience.

 

Nah, you're not the only one. Most of these "antique" and "distressed" sets look like my dog barfed on them, then buried in it the ground, then dug it back up. I like a CLEAN boxwood set.

OK if you want a TRUE antique look take a look at your wax -- that assumes you actually wax your pieces once or twice a year. I've had my set for about 10-11 years. I bought a tin of wax that HOS recommended but did not know at that time there were several shades of wax. I bought a NEUTRAL shade, and while I seldom wax the pieces, I've noticed that over the years the pieces have yellowed with age, even though the pieces are in a chest and protected from light. Depending on the color of the wax you chose you can heighten or minimize the "antique" look, rather than looking like someone sprinkled dirt in some varnish and slobbered it on. Unless they have changed their practiced CB fills this bill -- though they called it "distressed" rather than "antique". Some of your really high end sets use a tinted wax to give there sets an antique looking finish. I think that HOS occasionally has a "golden" set, and chances are they used a "yellow" tinted wax rather than a neutral colored wax. Add to that as wood ages it will tend to yellow. 

azbobcat
KineticPawn wrote:

@againseriously you can contact the companies and they'll make it for you. Especially since it's easy for them to actually just skip the antiquing step on a a set.  Even more involved custom orders are accepted.  @TheOneCalledMichael is particularly familiar with these "off menu" orders.  I remember that Padauk SC Dubrovnik thread that made me immediately send Mandeep a request of my own even though it's still not a regularly advertised option. 

I think we need to define the difference between a "distressed" and "antiqued" set. A "distressed" set is almost certainly created throwing dirt into varnish then slobbering it on. that way the "distressed" look does not wear off. OTOH a truly "antiqued" set is most likely achieved from the application of hand rubbed WAX of a particular tint. My guess is that if you see a ring of filth or other crud on the boxwood set, it is a DISTRESSED set created by varnish; a set that is of a UNIFORM color set where there is no change in color is due to hand applied WAX  is probably an ANTIQUED set.  

lighthouse

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ANTIQUE 3.5" ANDERSSEN DROP JAW CHESS SET BY JAQUES LONDON WEIGHTED c1855
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