Why are there so few reproductions of the Natalya Danko/Lomonosov Porcelain chess sets? Its not like the existing reproductions sell cheaply when they appear.
Perhaps because such work is of a high enough quality to defy easy reproduction.
https://www.artsy.net/artwork/natalya-yakovlevna-danko-the-reds-and-the-whites-chess-set
I would be to scared to play with such a refined rare chess set !
Perhaps because such work is of a high enough quality to defy easy reproduction.
https://www.artsy.net/artwork/natalya-yakovlevna-danko-the-reds-and-the-whites-chess-set
I wonder, there have been a number of editions over the years, from various sources and at varying levels of quality. Being ceramic they are castable, the painting is the main issue. Lomonosov were selling an edition of them a while ago for USD7k but I thought not quite as good as the 1920s originals.
https://www.sothebys.com/en/articles/how-russian-porcelain-was-reinvigorated
who wants a reproduction. when you can have the real thing at a price ?
Art from the comrade !
Indeed, but the originals carry a large price and later editions go for somewhat less. One sold in Sydney, I suspect a later copy, for AUD700, this at Sotheby's was USD22,800. http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/lot.20.html/2004/arcade-furniture-and-decorative-works-of-art-including-a-fine-collection-of-fine-canes-and-chess-sets-from-a-gentleman-of-title-n01742
Indeed, but the originals carry a large price and later editions go for somewhat less. One sold in Sydney, I suspect a later copy, for AUD700, this at Sotheby's was USD22,800. http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/lot.20.html/2004/arcade-furniture-and-decorative-works-of-art-including-a-fine-collection-of-fine-canes-and-chess-sets-from-a-gentleman-of-title-n01742
https://us.louisvuitton.com/eng-us/louis-vuitton-replica
Just to give a idea of what being ripped off ? of how big this market is also from past posts on the
Jaques Staunton sets /
Just don 't understand this repllca market ? sure would like the real thing but then I am not from the 1% .
lets say if you did have areal one would you play with it ?
Louis Vuitton has a real problem with replicas because their manufacturing costs are quite a long way from their sale costs and their value is in part due to their being expensive (they are expensive because they are luxury goods, not for some good cost-based reason). Its possible to buy first quality, and quite expensive, knock-offs, with (fake) LV certificates of authenticity in SE Asia for a fraction of the retail price from LV and to have difficulty telling the difference.
I don't really understand the obsessive chess piece replica market, there are a number of people buying multiple new sets of essentially the same chess pieces. My own ambitions are quite a lot more limited than that and involve buying one instance of a small number of quite different sets.
If I had the Reds vs Whites set, yes, I'd play with it. If it was a relatively cheap copy I might let other people play with it too, nervousness being proportional to cost. If I had one of the Max Ernst sets, which sell for rather more than the Reds vs Whites sets, I'd play with it too, its what they are for after all. What would you do?
Why does the thread title call these "propaganda sets"?
its a common term for them, probably more common than referring to Lomonosov (there is an unfortunate overlap with tablebases) or Natalia Danko. Try googling propaganda chess.
Louis Vuitton has a real problem with replicas because their manufacturing costs are quite a long way from their sale costs and their value is in part due to their being expensive (they are expensive because they are luxury goods, not for some good cost-based reason). Its possible to buy first quality, and quite expensive, knock-offs, with (fake) LV certificates of authenticity in SE Asia for a fraction of the retail price from LV and to have difficulty telling the difference.
I don't really understand the obsessive chess piece replica market, there are a number of people buying multiple new sets of essentially the same chess pieces. My own ambitions are quite a lot more limited than that and involve buying one instance of a small number of quite different sets.
If I had the Reds vs Whites set, yes, I'd play with it. If it was a relatively cheap copy I might let other people play with it too, nervousness being proportional to cost. If I had one of the Max Ernst sets, which sell for rather more than the Reds vs Whites sets, I'd play with it too, its what they are for after all. What would you do?
After being a house dad for some years & dealing with a young man that had a liking
for his dad;s taste in a small apartment , Had to put a lot of my fave's suff away ! also my chess set .
As much as I have alove for chess & chess sets just happy with what I have as there alway going to be a better set etc ? or looks like this or that !
Sure would be nice but not from the 1% ,
I would be to scared to play with such a refined rare chess set !
HERE is a nice gallery.
Btw it gives you a clear idea of why these sets may have come to be known as 'propaganda sets' (the white King is a skeleton or ghoulish creature of some kind and the white pawns are chained... erm workers I guess).
Also it looks like there is some book (in Russian?) with a section dedicated to this set and also a photograph of somebody working on a reproduction:
A nice gallery. I'd come across the guy making the copy before, here: http://juliagalloway.com/teaching-projects/ryan_tingley.html
The bit about the set "possibly" being from Lomonosov is cute, there is approximately one source for the originals.
I looks like the Lomonosov edition has gone away: https://www.rbth.com/arts/2017/07/10/st-petersburg-factory-revives-1920s-propaganda-porcelain_799595
Why are there so few reproductions of the Natalya Danko/Lomonosov Porcelain chess sets? Its not like the existing reproductions sell cheaply when they appear.