Long live sacrilege.
Spanish Chess Sets 3 - Controversy or not...
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Sep 7, 2015
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#3
The earlier Spanish knights look like Lardys to me, and the Bishops recall Jaques. I like the slimmer originals, but the reproductions carry their weight well, to my eye. The rooks in both sets are a bit too plain and insubstantial for me. I can't agree with you about the "elegance" of the German sets, if you mean the one that's in vogue now. Give me the Hades Dogs any day over the weak, spineless, jigsaw knights of that set.
Sep 7, 2015
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#4
I think anyone who passed high school woodworking could make this piece. Not a steed I'd ride into battle. More like a horsey on a merry-go-round.
Sep 7, 2015
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#5
If those national sets of 40-50-60 years ago are Spanish, and the sets sold today in Spain are produced by Spaniards, then how are they reproductions? Spaniards reproducing a Spanish set? That does not make sense to me. Maybe the sets are not the same as the earlier ones, but a Spanish set produced by Spaniards is a Spanish set. The set has evolved.
Similarly, the Drueke boards of fifty years ago might not be the same as those made today. They are, nonetheless, Drueke boards. The workmanship might have changed, but a Drueke board made today by a Drueke is a Drueke. It might have evolved and may not be the same, but it's still a Drueke; a modern Drueke.
I am not my grandfather. I am me. My grandfather has passed on but his blood flows through my veins.
Now, if you're complaining because the modern Spanish set is not as "great" as the set once was, then take it up with the modern producers.
Oh, and the occupant on g1 might think you're taking things a little too seriously.
I really like the Spanish set but, I cannot believe the Spanish Chess Players are paying the same price for this set as their wanting to charge Americans.!
Hello,
I have an Indajesa set that my father bought on the 70's.
It is really similar to the indajesa that we have now.
The indajesa now has some light changes in the knight and added stability. Also, now, there are more variety of woods than when my father bought his.
Also, I don't think Mora-Viraf does it as a reproduction, they simply added changes to their old design.
For sure there are different, older and better sets, but the current design is more or less 40 years old, it is a great design and, in my case, I had no access to anything else during years.
The reason because it is not used nowadays in big tournaments is simply the DGT boards. There is no compatibility.
But it is still widely used in tournaments without e-boards, at least in Spain, mainly in its plastic version. I played a tournament with it this weekend.
I have to say I love the current one, possibly because I had no access to the ones you mention.
In my case I love the Indajesa and I consider myself a truly "olespanishmaniac".
I have talked a lot about it in this forum because I can contribute with my experience and because it is part of my culture, and somewhat I'm also proud of it.
So, I'm a "olespanishmaniac", but, don't get confused, I'm not a fundamentalist.
I think it is a very good set, just that, of course there are much better sets, and of course a lot of people will find it ugly (I know the knight is "special")
So, as conclusion, I don't find "sacrilegious" what you say.
We came here to see and discuss about chess sets, so for me it is not bad when people exacerbate their love or hate for a specific set.
In my opinion, there is a lot of room for all sets and tastes in this forum.
I don't feel attacked by you saying that the indajesa knights look like camels or the set changed to worse, even I love them.
It is a matter of tastes and info, and you have a lot of info. So I really appreciate the time and effort you put to share it, even we could disagree on our tastes.
I enjoy each one of your posts and the great photos you show on them,
The only problem I see with your post is that you are giving me more reasons to buy new sets, :))
thanks a lot and keep going.
P.S.: About prices. The most used indajesa set is plastic. It costs 15 bucks and the simplest wood one about 60 euros.
The wood ones are more expensive than other sets because they are not made in India.
It is not mass production and you are paying spanish (european) salaries.
But most of the people I know in Spain that have this set usually have only a plastic and wood version, and a rechapados ferrer from "la casa del ajedrez"
Lets say 120-130€ in total for a plastic board and pieces and a rechapados + wood pieces.
Expensive, but for sure not prohibitive.
Sep 8, 2015
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#8
On leanness and fat, on elegance, Knights of Arabia, Andalusian orLusitano!
Colleagues and friends, I like “salt and pepper” in a forum like this. All of us love chess pieces, and some of us, are like children on Christmas delighted with toys.
Some provocation is healthy and makes the dialogue most appreciated .
May not have known to express myself, but I will scream!
I WANT A SPANHISH CHESS SET od 30-40, LIKE THE ONE OF THE PICTURES!
Spain, India, China, original or replica I need that Set to my collection.
My I scream again ? Original or replica, I Want the Chess Set of SKOPJE OLYMPIADE
And again? I WANT A TRULY ORIGINAL SOVIET CHESS SET, like the Botvinnik-Tal, Petrosian-Spassy, Karpov-Kasparov 1º Wcham Match. I have “evolutions”, approaches, but a really one, nothing! The Original of the Karpov-Kasparov 84-85 Moscow was stolen, and I swearit was not me!
“Now, if you're complaining because the modern Spanish set is not as "great" as the set once was, then take it up with the modern producers."
I expressed myself poorly
Yes, is that! Modern spaniards producers make evolutions that in my opinion betrayed the spirit of true pieces of the 30s, 40, is all.
There are happy developments in some chess pieces , but others that want to modernize spoil the original.
By the way, dear friend, In these forum why the passion for Jaques reproductions? And what extraordinary reproductions! Original or reproduced, Jaques continue to attract thousands of collectors. There was no great need for Jaques of London make major changes in sets, because their intrinsic beauty is there.
“Oh, and the occupant on g1 might think you're taking things a little too seriously.”
Or…Yes my friend Arlindo, I’m with you!
cgrau
“I can't agree with you about the "elegance" of the German sets, if you mean the one that's in vogue now”
My friend one thing that puts me crazy is that name of “ German Khights” . I do not know as it appeared, did not realize the connection with the Knights of the German pieces, and really are not even a big deal unless simplicity. However, it was the same Knights as Match of Seville, the same Karpov-Kasparov, Kasparov-Anand WCham and several Linares tournament as Chavet. These Khights are Chavet, of French origin.
German Khights? Pure markting and I'd rather not mention where he was born because who knows and like chess know why chess tables are flooded with German Knights !!
Great Sinquefield chess tables where no "Indian Knights". Great Romanian and Hungarian chess tournaments where you play with a set with “panache”, althoughI do notparticularlylove the pieces
I will put a video on youtube with German sets to people tell me where the so-called German-Knights !?
Cgrau, in the future, German chess pieces here! But…without german knights!
I ‘m a "olespanishmaniac" my friend!
I grew up in chess with this set, played almost thousands of games with Indajesa, the first chess pieces of my collection were Spaniards, and not love the Spanish sets?
“Also, I don't think Mora-Viraf does it as a reproduction, they simply added changes to their old design.”
True, but I and some Portuguese and also Spanish players don’t like the changes. What is done with the Sevilla Set is ...I don't Know! Why not a exact reproduction!?
“The reason because it is not used nowadays in big tournaments is simply the DGT boards. There is no compatibility.”
Partly true.So why not produce some games compatible for DGT?
But look SZO, this set was used in the first Linares, but then as you know ,was replaced by Chavet and was de set of analysis room.
More, being the national set, I can report that before Linares, great Spanish tournaments like Montilla Moriles, Las Palmas, or even the Great Madrid 1973 Tournament (great Victory for Karpov) were not used these chess pieces. In Montilla was the version in the photo where Antony Miles. In Las Palmas the pieces are not Spanish, but German.
“The only problem I see with your post is that you are giving me more reasons to buy new sets, :))”
Yes, and be sure, that I will put here some others Spanish sets. One is mysterious to me, and and I seek his history by years and years. Other are wonderful, though with similarities with Indajesa without being Indajesa. And Another a “Spanish set”relic.
szociofoto be afraid , very afraid. Ah! The Knights, well, thecelebrated Spanish chess Knights! If the Knights that I don’t like seems to me modern camels, I dream what will you think of some of these Knights of the Spanish sets that put here in the future.
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Sep 8, 2015
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#10
BurnAmos wrote:
Colleagues and friends, I like “salt and pepper” in a forum like this. All of us love chess pieces, and some of us, are like children on Christmas delighted with toys.
Some provocation is healthy and makes the dialogue most appreciated .
BurnAmos,
I agree.
Now please pass the pepper my spicy friend.
BurnAmos escribió
I WANT A SPANHISH CHESS SET od 30-40, LIKE THE ONE OF THE PICTURES!
Spain, India, China, original or replica I need that Set to my collection.
:) I second that....
mmmm... about the seville set, Mora-viraf is simply cheating, and that's the reason why I have not purchased one.
They take a modern indajesa, they change the knight by the knight in the european set that they also produce, and finally they carve the rooks which are the most significant piece. But at the end you get a pastiche between the european and the indajesa, a great set, but still far from the original.
It will be great to see more sets from you. And it would be great also to see modern quality repros of them. Let's hope any producer could take them as a flagship.
Just to finish, a real sacrilege from my side. I own several timeless sets with the hated "german" knights. I didn't like them at the beginning, but I've started to love their simplicity. So at the end, I have to say I like them a lot.
Anyway, for the sake of the good taste, they should be replaced by other models. Chess can be also a matter of aesthetics and art.
Best regards
Sep 8, 2015
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#12
BurnAmos wrote:
On leanness and fat, on elegance, Knights of Arabia, Andalusian orLusitano!
Clearly the first knight over the second. 
Its head is properly proportioned to its body and base. It looks like a war horse. The second has the snout of a swine and the overbite of a beaver. The proportion of the length of its head to its height is too small. And its head is undersized relative to its base. It is perhaps a royal horse, its arse grown large by rich living, and deformed by generations of inbreeding.
Sep 8, 2015
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#13
cgrau wrote: Its head is properly proportioned to its body and base. It looks like a war horse. The second has the snout of a swine and the overbite of a beaver. The proportion of the length of its head to its height is too small. And its head is undersized relative to its base. It is perhaps a royal horse, its arse grown large by rich living, and deformed by generations of inbreeding.
lol! You guys are great. Loving the spice!
Hello Burn Amos,
This weekend I had the opportunity to play with a different spanish set. We are playing the active league (rapid, 25min) and we faced a team with some history (One of the players was more than 80 years old, and the average of the team was about 2100 ELO).
We had the opportunity to use their sets and they were great.
Just to share with you, in case you also knew this model. No idea of the manufacturer, but it was really great to play with them. Very stable and elegant. They also brought a Chavet set.
Sorry for the photos, my phone is not very good.
Sep 28, 2015
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#15
Yes, and YES... ANOTHER PEARL OF NATIONAL SPANISH SET!
I think that the set of this club is a modern version of my old one of my Club, and the set that I recently won in an auction. No doubts that this Spanish set ( the original) is 50-60!
in the post :
I write: "But this post is to show you a Spanish set that I will look for years similar to ours, but if you look, very different, either in the shape of King, Queen, Bishop and even Knight of our Spanish.
This pieces are very rare. My club with 75 years of life - GRUPO DE XADREZ do PORTO have this set from 60's!
Years looking for this set, in my opinion questionable, much more beautiful than usual and ours Spanish set."
Here some photos with the set pictured. Before de Linares the Great Spanish Chess Tournaments of Montilla Morilles used this set.
I have this set, and I will put here soon. Very beautiful and rare.
Sep 28, 2015
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#16
Thanks! for the info again...
It was really a nice set to play with.
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camilodelgado wrote:
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Glad you put a period at the end of your thoughts.
Subjective of course my opinion, but with knowledge of the matter. And tastes are not discussed! Or discuss?
One of the curious things and I love this Forum on chess pieces are the "manias" as well, sweeping passions on certain chess pieces . They are the "Dubrovmaniacos", the "jaquesmanicreproctuctions" "," hungarianromanian "ones, and now the" olespanishmaniac ".
sometimes I feel that some "dislaikes", or some non-compliant with the majority , profane the temple of taste, and the majority opinion.
Well ... I'm not "Dubrovkmanic", there are Jaques wonderful chess pieces and other ugly (well, I am a passionate of Ayres, and the British Chess Company!), And I think the Hungarianromenian chess pieces, are "gas tank" with knights like "Hades dogs". I'm the first in this forum ( with other "nick" to inform of this pieces, showing pictures, and my opinion.
On the Spanish pieces that always call the Indajesa, I will say one sacrilegious: the pieces that currently sell are reproductions of Staunton of 40-50-60 years, but for the worse!
The antique pieces which gave rise to today pieces were thinner, more elegant, more slender horses, less carved, but attractive to look at, without the appearance of "camels" that the current have. One thing that bothers me in the current "indajesa" is that the pieces seem to have put on weight, either below the bases, whether for example in Bishops bulbs.
In my chess club Indajesa We have some sets of the 60, and they are different from the current.
Can you see the differences?
Curiously, despite being the national set of Spain, this pieces used schools and opens, are no longer used in major competitions. The Set began to the main set of Linares Tournament after ceasing to be, but never the big pieces of the tournament Montilla, or Las Palmas! Why?
Some friends Spanish chess players told me that the current set causes some fatigue when used, especially in 5 cm, or 5.5 cm square chessboards. This requires 5.8 cm, 6cm or 6.2 (my Jaques board!) square board.
Yes, in Portuguese chess Tournaments This set is very used, but I feel not much loved by the Portuguese players. Me too, years and years using this set in chess practice and using a lot in my youth, i get tired of this indajesa version.
Do not get me wrong, the pieces are beautiful, well carved, but heavy, something dull with use.
Well, Miró helps a little
On the right, Me, and Indajesa in a Potuguese Junior Championship in 1978
A variant, but look at Bishops and above all the Queen! ( The Queen of Pomar photo below) ( the painted eyes are child joking) Photo of Web
Some pieces, like Jaques, Ayres, German chess pieces, has simplicity, lightness, gracefulness,a touch of class, that these pieces can not match.
I approve a reproduction of the original! Look the pieces of Alekhine playng in Sabadell, Perez, Medina or Pomar.
See the difference!