I doubt you’ll find this information. Too many factors change the expected elo rating once you handicap the chess computer by changing attributes such as computer processing power, depth of search, time to calculate, introduce randomness to the move decision algorithm and even the tolerances to accept draws.
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Oct 27, 2020
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I think the only way to get an approximation of particular level would be to play matches pitching the King Performance against something like the Shredder app which expresses level strength as “ELO” scores. The Shredder app self adjusts too. Matches of 10 games minimum would be required.
The earlier Millennium Chess Computers had a “Rating” mode where one played timed move games against the computer to receive (a very a proximate) rating expressed in “ELO”. The normal play levels, including timed games were not attributed any such ELO score. The computers themselves are so weak that I doubt the “ELO” score was relevant beyond whether the user was progressing or regressing.
It is a real shame that Millennium dropped the Rating mode as it would have more relevance on their current stronger line of computers.
The earlier Millennium Chess Computers had a “Rating” mode where one played timed move games against the computer to receive (a very a proximate) rating expressed in “ELO”. The normal play levels, including timed games were not attributed any such ELO score. The computers themselves are so weak that I doubt the “ELO” score was relevant beyond whether the user was progressing or regressing.
It is a real shame that Millennium dropped the Rating mode as it would have more relevance on their current stronger line of computers.
Oct 27, 2020
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Thank you, I make it play against the computer of chess.com and it gives me a rough idea of the strength of the levels...
Rubicon: how much earlier were the models that correlated the levels with elo ratings? I just checked the manual for the chess Exclusive and it didn’t have elo ratings.
http://www.millennium2000.de/support/M820_CGX_for_2018_C23_Manual_English.pdf
Oct 28, 2020
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The rating mode was independent of the normal timed move and timed game levels. Non of the normal levels were “correlated” with elo ratings and the Rating mode only gave an estimation that could not be taken seriously.
The latest Millennium computer that I have that has a Rating mode is the Millennium Orion Intelligent Chess computer (rated at about 1400 elo though I have beaten it a many times and I estimate myself as 1250 ish). So we’re going way, way back.
Oct 28, 2020
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I was saying that the only way that I could think of working out an approximate elo for a given level would be to play a ten game match against a chess program that provides ELO scores and self adjusts - which Shredder Chess App does both.
Oct 29, 2020
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Good points. Spacious Mind does not list Millennium’s Intelligent Chess nor give an estimated ELO for the Millennium Orion 2000 that I also own and that plays a slightly weaker game than the Intelligent Chess machine. I am trying to remember where I saw 1400 written (that I took to be an over estimation - a common practice for low end machines back in the day). As I can beat the machine on most plays, I doubt it plays above 1200.
For the Easy and Fun levels the OP mentioned, I think the problem with comparing those levels with the Orion Series at the highest play level is that the Orion Series had a very limited opening book. The computer can be taken out of book just by transposing an opening the computer does have in ROM. Also, the Orion series lacks end game theories. So sparing the King Performance on an Easy Level against an Orion series on their highest level might still bring about erroneous results.
For one to get a given retro computer to play at its proven ELO the computer would need to be played at its highest level. I am thinking that there is quite a jump between the Orion series and the Excalibur, Saitek etc mid ranged machines in my collection and Easy Level 1 on the King Performance feels to me to fall between the Orion Series and the mid ranges. For me to perform the exercise may not enlighten me to its ELO for that level.
I did not know that Shedder’s ELO estimation on their app had such a wide disparity at lower levels but perhaps that is the answer as to why Millennium excluded the “Rating” feature from their current line of computers.
Hello, I can’t find a match between the different levels of The King Performance Millenium - Chess Computer - (Fun, Easy..) and the number of ELO. Do you have that? Thank you
Yann