THE SEVILLA SET ...That is not Sevilla set!

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BurnAmos

Only an aproximation, beautiful, but Sevilla only by the Rook. Marketing, only.

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I myself got to put here for the first time the so-called Seville set. At the time, the photos of this match of Seville Kasparov-Karpov were rare and of poor quality (even now, I do not know a decent full-color photo on Seville 87, which is strange though), only after watching carefully in the YouTube and the appearance of some black and white photos, I noticed the marked differences between what is now sold as Seville Chess pieces 87 and in some details see the difference well:

- I have no doubts: the true-original set size is a Staunton 6 with a king of 9,5-10cm, and no the “petit” , and no the 8,9 cm of the “fake” Sevilla set

- The Original Sevilla set I must be one of the rarest sets  in the World, such  the Moscow World Championship  Set Karpov-Kasparov, Moscow 1984 (which was mysteriously stolen) and should be a unique example: taking out the Seville match, I never saw an equal one in any photo , or gathering of collectors, never. Who will have been happy contemplated with this original chess pieces of Seville? Geurt Gjssen? Ricardo Calvo? Lothar Schmidt? De Lucia? Sevilla Town hall? A funny mystery for someone to unravel!

- The Queen is inspired in old queen of the 40-50 Spanish chess set, with a coronet worked and pronounced with the tipic  ball and no with that “spanish queen” Indajesa one flat and without coronet (Unfortunately what annoys me the most in the Spanish sets, aside from the vulgarity of Queen, the modern fat Knights, and Bishops too,  so different of the elegance and  aesthetics of the pieces of  years 40-50).  In the Original set of Sevilla,  The Bishops have their slender miter like the Bishops of the 40s-50s.The pawns look equally slimmer, but this may have to do with the difference in size of Staunton 5-pieces rather than Staunton 6. These are the main differences that even without much collector training can be noticed.

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- It was not by chance that Karpov and Kasparov demanded the change of the Knight  of the of Seville chess pieces, not wanting the typical fat Spanish Horse of the Indajesa and replacing it by a horse that is notoriously Chavet!

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- Many people hate the Sevillian Gold Tower (Rook), but however much it seems, in this "Fake" Seville set, it may be the same as the original. Neither Karpov nor Kasparov disliked this Rook. And Yes, This rook gives the set an inevitable strangeness, but at the same time distinction.

- When a Spanish manufacturer, or ChessBazzar, ou another carver, can do a faithful reproduction of these pieces, which I repeat, maybe only one set has been manufactured for the World Championship Match ? They did not need to be weighed, if they had an affordable price, they would sell like hot breads!

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Ronbo710

Yes the "true" Sevilla knights almost look like the Chavet knights with their larger down swept snouts. The reproduction knights just look like the Europa version. 

Fer8799

BurnAmos wrote:

Only an aproximation, beautiful, but Sevilla only by the Rook. Marketing, only.

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I myself got to put here for the first time the so-called Seville set. At the time, the photos of this match of Seville Kasparov-Karpov were rare and of poor quality (even now, I do not know a decent full-color photo on Seville 87, which is strange though), only after watching carefully in the YouTube and the appearance of some black and white photos, I noticed the marked differences between what is now sold as Seville Chess pieces 87 and in some details see the difference well:

- I have no doubts: the true-original set size is a Staunton 6 with a king of 9,5-10cm, and no the “petit” , and no the 8,9 cm of the “fake” Sevilla set

- The Original Sevilla set I must be one of the rarest sets  in the World, such  the Moscow World Championship  Set Karpov-Kasparov, Moscow 1984 (which was mysteriously stolen) and should be a unique example: taking out the Seville match, I never saw an equal one in any photo , or gathering of collectors, never. Who will have been happy contemplated with this original chess pieces of Seville? Geurt Gjssen? Ricardo Calvo? Lothar Schmidt? De Lucia? Sevilla Town hall? A funny mystery for someone to unravel!

- The Queen is inspired in old queen of the 40-50 Spanish chess set, with a coronet worked and pronounced with the tipic  ball and no with that “spanish queen” Indajesa one flat and without coronet (Unfortunately what annoys me the most in the Spanish sets, aside from the vulgarity of Queen, the modern fat Knights, and Bishops too,  so different of the elegance and  aesthetics of the pieces of  years 40-50).  In the Original set of Sevilla,  The Bishops have their slender miter like the Bishops of the 40s-50s.The pawns look equally slimmer, but this may have to do with the difference in size of Staunton 5-pieces rather than Staunton 6. These are the main differences that even without much collector training can be noticed.

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- It was not by chance that Karpov and Kasparov demanded the change of the Knight  of the of Seville chess pieces, not wanting the typical fat Spanish Horse of the Indajesa and replacing it by a horse that is notoriously Chavet!

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- Many people hate the Sevillian Gold Tower (Rook), but however much it seems, in this "Fake" Seville set, it may be the same as the original. Neither Karpov nor Kasparov disliked this Rook. And Yes, This rook gives the set an inevitable strangeness, but at the same time distinction.

- When a Spanish manufacturer, or ChessBazzar, ou another carver, can do a faithful reproduction of these pieces, which I repeat, maybe only one set has been manufactured for the World Championship Match ? They did not need to be weighed, if they had an affordable price, they would sell like hot breads!

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good post burn. carving from photos is a tough work and the current company mora-viraf should have the original design. I have contacted them several times but got no answer. Maybe after everybody know that it is not a real repro, they change his mind.

cgrau

What an unusual, historic set. Many thanks for the wonderful post and photos!

instagambit

this repro also seems to be sold on ebay under name Vintage Chess: https://www.etsy.com/listing/538557578/chess-sevilla-1987-karpov-vs-kasparov?ref=shop_home_active_26

 

But it's less expensive here: 
https://tiendaajedrezescacimat.es/en/chess-wood-pieces/405-chess-pieces-sevilla-87.html

They sure look like the same set, don't they? 

ganz_unten

Exactly the same. You are discovering the etsy secret happy.png

Pulpofeira

I don't like it, no way the Torre del Oro can match an Indajesa.

Luitpoldt

The rooks can also be used to hold Ikea furniture pieces together.

alvesjac

Guys, do you know what is the chess model in photo below? It seems to be a mix of Chavet and Sevilla’s knight, but there are slight differences in its knight’s face design... And I didn’t find the actual name model of this.

 

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alvesjac

@Chessopera , what is the name of chess set I have posted here? Because searching for “Spanish chess set” returned different model...

magictwanger

Very nice set!-happy.png