Vintage 1940's English Made Set Possibly Jaques?

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goodknightmike

Here's a vintage English made set. I  won on Ebay over 16 years ago.  Kings measure 3 5/8" in height with a 1.75" diameter base. Pieces are not weighted. Pawns are 1 7/8" in height. King-side knights and rooks stamped with crown. Previous English owner from London claims the set is from the 1940s and was made by Jaques of London although no stamp on base of the kings. Any information on this set and/or the Jaques of London  Company during the 1940's would be appreciated.
 

DubroMan

Can you take better picture of a pawn and rook?

goodknightmike
NadinTheChessExpert wrote:

Can you take better picture of a pawn and rook?

See other pictures

goodknightmike
informaticacobach29 wrote:

Mike, perhaps the key to find the maker of your set lies in crown of the kingside pieces, I have a 3" English set with the same crowns, they are different from those made by Jaques or Ayres.

Thanks informaticacobach29,  interesting observation about the different crowns. I read somewhere that the Jaques of London manufacturing plant was destroyed during WWII, could jaques have made new crowns for their sets after the War?

goodknightmike
informaticacobach29 wrote:

Perhaps that is what happened, Mike. 

Yesterday I took my pieces to analyze some games (the height of the king is 2.75", not 3"), I noticed that the quality of the turned pieces is very good, the weighting and the balance of the pieces shows that they were made by someone who knew their job, but the quality of the carving is low, do you think that maybe the knights were made by an apprentice? Perhaps the master carver was recruited or killed during a bombing?

 

 

 

I also took an 2.75" Broadbent and a "probably Ayres" to see how the pieces compare between each other. 

At the left will be the Jaques pieces, in the middle the "unknown" pieces and at the right the "probably Ayres":

Thanks for the comparison pics of your sets informaticacobach29. Agreed, the turnings are quite good. Generally speaking, The Jaques knight carvings were less detailed after the 1920s. Good question about the Jaques master carver(s) during the war. Here's a  comparison pick with  a 3.5" circa 1915 Jaques King on the left. Both Kings have a 1.75" Diameter base.

 

 

 

 

 

FrankHelwig

I have no clue whether this set was manufactured by Jaques or not, but I would look at the following clues, absent a maker's mark on the King - do the pieces have Baize underneath, or regular felt? Is the polish French Polish? Are the weights screwed in and do they have the typical Jaques tool marks?

If I were forced to venture a guess, I'd say it's unlikely to be a JoL set. But regardless, it's a fine-looking set for sure.

goodknightmike
FrankHelwig wrote:

I have no clue whether this set was manufactured by Jaques or not, but I would look at the following clues, absent a maker's mark on the King - do the pieces have Baize underneath, or regular felt? Is the polish French Polish? Are the weights screwed in and do they have the typical Jaques tool marks?

If I were forced to venture a guess, I'd say it's unlikely to be a JoL set. But regardless, it's a fine-looking set for sure.

goodknightmike
FrankHelwig wrote:

I have no clue whether this set was manufactured by Jaques or not, but I would look at the following clues, absent a maker's mark on the King - do the pieces have Baize underneath, or regular felt? Is the polish French Polish? Are the weights screwed in and do they have the typical Jaques tool marks?

If I were forced to venture a guess, I'd say it's unlikely to be a JoL set. But regardless, it's a fine-looking set for sure.

Thanks for your comments Frank. You raise some good questions about my set being a Jaques.  If the Jaques manufacturing plant was destroyed during the war, then when Jaques resumed its operations after the war, I assume new tools and materials were used for making its chess sets. My set is not weighted. I don't know if my set is French polished or not. How do you tell? I'm not sure if my set has Baize bottoms or not. The material is light brown in color.

FrankHelwig
goodknightmike wrote:
I don't know if my set is French polished or not. How do you tell? 

French Polish uses Shellac, so you could try dabbing an alcohol-based solvent at a spot somewhere.  happy.png

Alan Dewey could probably give a better answer...

GroggyNoggin

A beautiful set either way, another mark in the book I keep on how jealous of goodknightmike am I really? Seriously, though, you and several others on this site keep learning and researching the history of these pieces and the companies who made them, and it seems to me you're some of the more learned on the subject. I doubt there are very many left in the world who care about such things, so I'm glad you few keep passing the knowledge around and keeping the interest up.

goodknightmike
GroggyNoggin wrote:

A beautiful set either way, another mark in the book I keep on how jealous of goodknightmike am I really? Seriously, though, you and several others on this site keep learning and researching the history of these pieces and the companies who made them, and it seems to me you're some of the more learned on the subject. I doubt there are very many left in the world who care about such things, so I'm glad you few keep passing the knowledge around and keeping the interest up.

Thanks GroggyNoggin, the mysteries of vintage sets is what makes them so fascinating to collect and share.

IpswichMatt

@goodknightmike, did you ever find out any more about the origins of your set? I'm interested because I saw this on ebay, described as "Original Boxed Jaques Broadbent set circa 1930". It's weighted, and says the Kings are 81mm. I think it looks like your set, please let me know what you think:

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ElCanarion

Beautiful set Mike! Great thread valuable info.

goodknightmike
IpswichMatt wrote:

@goodknightmike, did you ever find out any more about the origins of your set? I'm interested because I saw this on ebay, described as "Original Boxed Jaques Broadbent set circa 1930". It's weighted, and says the Kings are 81mm. I think it looks like your set, please let me know what you think:

Hi IpswichMatt I did not find any additional infornmation on my set. But I still feel my set is Jaques made. The sets look very similar although my set is larger with 3 5/8" Kings.

Ronbo710

I think Alan would be your best bet. It definitely looks good enough to be Jaques.

IpswichMatt

I think Alan's busy having a row on another thread: 

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/reproduction-and-real-jaques-of-london-chess-set?page=118

Ronbo710

 Wow.I wish I hadn't clicked on that link *sigh*

IpswichMatt

Don't click on it again Ronbo, it's even worse now!

cgrau
Ronbo710 wrote:

 Wow.I wish I hadn't clicked on that link *sigh*

Amen, brother. I like them both and consider them both friends. 

IpswichMatt

You've only just joined the site so I don't think you'll be able to post pics to the forums yet. Also, you will need to be connected via the internet to post pics, you can't do it from the App - at least I've never been able to.