1. d4 d5 2.c3

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gyrados_2002

Can anyone give me the name of this opening? Also, can you give me some information on how to play against it as black? 

Thanks,

gyrados_2002

Kens_Mom

Looks like the Colle or London system.  Not sure how to handle it as black.

AndyClifton

Can also go into a Stonewall.  Can't really say what to do until a few more moves have been played.

Kens_Mom

Kingscrusher has a few videos on the "Reversed Slav," which results in the same pawn structure.  You should consider watching it.

But like what Uhoh said, 2.c3 move is rather passive, allowing black to comfortably develop, castle, etc.  In other words, you shouldn't be concerned too much about figuring out how to counter this particular opening.  Playing against it normally should the job done.

DrSpudnik

It looks like the "I-don't-want-to-study-openings" Opening.

Kens_Mom
AnthonyCG wrote:

It's actually innacurate imo. Black now has 2...Nc6! 3.Nf3 f6 and White can't stop the quick e5 push. If White had played e3 instead this probably wouldn't work.


 4.Bf4 can stop the e5 push.  Moreover, black's 3.f6 looks like an unnecessary pawn advance that weakens the kings side and takes away the f6 square from the kings side knight.  Also, I would delay moving the queens knight to c6 to leave the option of advancing the queens pawn to flank the center.

Kens_Mom
AnthonyCG wrote: This actually leads to a position similar to the Trompowsky. Black can play 4...g5 5.Bg3 g4 6.Nd2 e5. Although Black's kingside "looks messy" White has no way to take advantage of it.

 You're right, white looks too cramped to crash into black's open kingside.

mrguy888
uhohspaghettio wrote:

By using your initial 1. a3 to your advantage at some point? If not then it doesn't count, you're just handing your opponent the first move.


What he means is this:

I play 1. e4 and I do not play the slav against d5. If white suckers me into playing the white side of the slav I could get into trouble because I know nothing about it while he is well versed in the opening.

Sure it may not objectively be best but since when is being black a decisive disadvantage? I would venture that the pratical benifits outweigh the theretical costs up to a fairly high playing level. You have to be careful that you don't give them white in a system that they know.

mrguy888

I should have phrased it "I think what he means is:". I get my knowledge of what he means by my reading conprehension skills.

AndyClifton

That's still not good enough!

mrguy888
AndyClifton wrote:

That's still not good enough!


For uhoh nothing ever is.

gyrados_2002

Uh, i'll just go with the colle guys. Don't get into a fight. Please.

Chessking47
AnthonyCG wrote:
Kens_Mom wrote:
AnthonyCG wrote:

It's actually innacurate imo. Black now has 2...Nc6! 3.Nf3 f6 and White can't stop the quick e5 push. If White had played e3 instead this probably wouldn't work.


 4.Bf4 can stop the e5 push.  Moreover, black's 3.f6 looks like an unnecessary pawn advance that weakens the kings side and takes away the f6 square from the kings side knight.  Also, I would delay moving the queens knight to c6 to leave the option of advancing the queens pawn to flank the center.


This actually leads to a position similar to the Trompowsky. Black can play 4...g5 5.Bg3 g4 6.Nd2 e5. Although Black's kingside "looks messy" White has no way to take advantage of it.


1. d4 Nf6 2. Bg5!? is the Tromposki! 

AndyClifton
gyrados_2002 wrote:

Uh, i'll just go with the colle guys. Don't get into a fight. Please.


What kinda attitude is that for the forums?!

AKJett

i used to play 1.c3 when I was 9 or something, most guys would play e5 and I transed into a sicilian, or there were some who played d5 and I played d4 

 

AndyClifton
uhohspaghettio wrote:

pfren shows a lot of quality by doing this without checking some computer program.


Checking a computer about the 3rd move?  That's a bit dubious itself.

gyrados_2002

O.k. problem resolved.

gyrados_2002
AndyClifton wrote:
gyrados_2002 wrote:

Uh, i'll just go with the colle guys. Don't get into a fight. Please.


What kinda attitude is that for the forums?!


Well, I am a quiet person and I DON'T WANT TO HAVE FIGHTS IN THIS FORUM!!!!! PLEASE CALM DOWN!!!!!!

WestofHollywood

I knew a master strength player who would open with 1.d4 and then would play 2.c3 against most of black's replies. He would bring his queen bishop to f4 or g5. It's a perfectly good system and black certainly cannot refute it. He just wanted to get playable positions that he knew and felt comfortable with. One does not necessarily have to get significant advantages out of the opening to win.

AndyClifton
gyrados_2002 wrote:
AndyClifton wrote:
gyrados_2002 wrote:

Uh, i'll just go with the colle guys. Don't get into a fight. Please.


What kinda attitude is that for the forums?!


Well, I am a quiet person and I DON'T WANT TO HAVE FIGHTS IN THIS FORUM!!!!! PLEASE CALM DOWN!!!!!!


Aha, I see what you mean!  You are an oasis of calm!Smile