Simply gives black a good French, as he can get his bishop to f5 or g4 before playing e6.
1. e4 d5 2. e5!!?
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I never thought of that. hmmm. How could that be countered?
One possible continuation after black replies Bf5 to the original. As long as your'e willing to trade Bishops, i think it could be defendable. (especially since your opponent probably doesn't have this opening memorized
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If Black replied g4, just reply Be2.
NOTE: this is a spur of the moment input and could be flawed.
Okay, I give in. this does probably give black the advantage. But I (personnaly) will do anything to avoid an opening that isn't the normal 1. e4 e5. I Guess I'm not very flexable.
offtherook wrote:
The few times I experimented with 1 e4 d5 2 e5, the response has usually been 2 ... d3!? which looks wrong but is annoying to deal with. I think you have to either take on d5 or be willing to delve into the insanity of the Blackmar-Diemer gambit.
do you mean 2. ... d4?
I'd fit d4 in there before playing Bd3.
Does anyone have any alternate ideas for avoiding a book game with e4 d5?
(This does seem kindof inferior)
Oh my how I miss the fun I had learning the Center-Counter! Please let me see if I can help you guys...
Ahem....! OK so Black just gets a good French defence here guys, usually by waiting to develop the light squared Bishop by playing something like...
1.e4 d5 2.e5? c5! A good space gainer/waiting move trying to control *d4* which will be the object of blacks attack in any French. Now 3.c3,Nf3,f4, and d4 (all bad moves as white is following a strategically flawed plan) have all been tried, with black usally playing 3...Nc6 now, to goad White into Nf3 so he can pin the good Knight with his (in a normal French) bad Bishop(anticipating a closed French game after black plays e6 closing the pawn structure). As we all know that the French defence is a fully respectable opening, here black indeed has a very good improved French.
i have tried this once or twice and i have to agree that black can go into a french position and obtain a good game here, HOWEVER, black needs to know that. In the few instances i played e5 black never played c5 (which much be key) and ended up worse.
I agree with people above except that instead of going for French Defense type position i would go for the Caro Kann
Doesn't the caro kann advance variation turn into a french defense though?
Apr 12, 2015
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Hello History... I appreciate it's been 5 years, but since then... have you found an alternative response to 1.e4 d5 ...?
I play the scandinavian as black, and I know that 2.exd5 Nf6 3. (x)...c6 helps me personally for tactics and fast development ... blah blah.
I love unfamiliar teritory, as much as possible, I want to utalise going away from the mainstream.
Just had this game (I was black) It started beautifully for me until I blundered horribly, nonetheless, this is the appropriate place to put it...
I like Lighting Attack's line the best so far. I play the Scandanavian almost exclusively to e4. When your opponent pushes e5 to your d5, you should honestly just laugh rather than worry.
Lighting's c5 push is pretty nice. I like to play d4 personally, looking to bring Bf5 with a thread of pushing d3 (locking up the center if they push c3, or taking c3 and threating the queen if they do anything else).
Aug 29, 2015
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Black has a good french with the bishop outside the pawn chain
I think after ... Bf5, Bd3 BxB is better than e6. Give white doubled pawns and not recieve them. jtt96 wrote:
Apr 13, 2016
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shoop2 wrote:
Simply gives black a good French, as he can get his bishop to f5 or g4 before playing e6.
That is true however the Bishop on f5 can also disturb the placement of black's f8 Knight which can be a nuisance.
It's true that after 2.e5?! c5! Black has nothing to worry about - a good French, a good Sicilian for Black. In case White does have intention to get something out of 1. ... d5 - the only way is 2.e4xd5!
Wow, 7 years later and extremely helpful.
Mar 20, 2020
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1. e4 d5 2. e5 is definitely playable. I would only play e5 if you prefer strategical games (this mostly transpose into a sold French or Caro), but you better know the theory (the ideas, not memorizing the moves) behind both in and out. I’ve actually played this in tournaments for years, mostly against 1400-1900 USCF, and it’s worked just as well as anything else.
Zachoarius έγραψε:
1. e4 d5 2. e5 is definitely playable. I would only play e5 if you prefer strategical games (this mostly transpose into a sold French or Caro), but you better know the theory (the ideas, not memorizing the moves) behind both in and out. I’ve actually played this in tournaments for years, mostly against 1400-1900 USCF, and it’s worked just as well as anything else.
What does "playable" mean? There are many "playable" moves after 1.e4 d5, and 2.e5 is one of them, and a bad one at that.
This move surrenders the control of f5 to Black. And loses time at that – not a good combination indeed! No wonder I consider it anti-positional, or in the best of cases completely harmless.
(Kotronias, "The Safest Scandinavion")
I have been wondering about this opening and wondered what others thought of it. Iv'e spent a good hour just playing around with black (and white's) options after white's move 3. Let me know what you think.