The move "e5?" after 1. e4 d5 breaks an opening rule.,and the best way for Black to wrest the advantage from White is to respond 1. e4 d5 2. e5? c5!. If your opponents are not responding with 2. ...c5 then you are simply playing weak players.
1. e4 d5 2. e5!!?
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ponz111 wrote:
The move "e5?" after 1. e4 d5 breaks an opening rule.,and the best way for Black to wrest the advantage from White is to respond 1. e4 d5 2. e5? c5!. If your opponents are not responding with 2. ...c5 then you are simply playing weak players.
2. ... Bf5 says hello. d4 can then be met with c5. I don't see anything wrong with it.
jtt96 wrote:
I never thought of that. hmmm. How could that be countered?
One possible continuation after black replies Bf5 to the original. As long as your'e willing to trade Bishops, i think it could be defendable. (especially since your opponent probably doesn't have this opening memorized)
If Black replied g4, just reply Be2.
NOTE: this is a spur of the moment input and could be flawed.
Why not 3...Bxd3 giving White doubled pawns?
Robert_New_Alekhine wrote:
Black has a good french with the bishop outside the pawn chain
6 Be2 could transpose into the Short System in this position.
Optimissed has caused clear trolls who were soon banned to forget their character and break down and cry at his "arguments". When he was younger he would apparently learn 10 moves at a time of opening theory just by reading them.
I always make this opening playing with my friends irl. I don't know if it actually has a name and it's recognised but I call it the b**ch gambit when I play it, as it's annoying for my friends to play against (it's their words not mine) and a bit counterintuitive against what you would normal play (pawn trade).
I think the line is not good, but it has an interesting gambit. Against 2 ... c5 you can play a "reversed Keres defense" and later sack the e-pawn to double your opponent's pawns and make their king weaker. I do not recommend it, however it could be a fun addition to try-out. (It also has a "blessing" from the engine)
Against 2 ... Bf5 it is a more boring and more positional game, but Ne2 could be a compelling approach from a practical point of view, trying to win tempi on the bishop or even trade it for the knight. (Also not suggested, but if you really want to play this "advanced Scandinavian" it could be an idea to experiment with)
Just take the Bishop.
Black doesn’t have to do anything in this position.
White Light Square Bishop is White’s best piece.
Black LSB is Black worst piece.
After the trade, Black position is very good.
It’s all bad for White.
In the other diagram, I would change the move order.
I wouldn’t play c5 as black to soon because White might take it and it might be there only hope to try and savage the catastrophe of their position.
You can see the difference between top example & below one.
White might try to hold on to pawn with b4 or Be3 making situation weird for Black which is unnecessary.
Wow, I am very curious about how it's a losing position after dxc3 and how you spot it. You said it is misassessed by the engine (#38) and I would be fascinated to see the refutation to it. Thanks a lot in advanced!
e4 d5 e5 just gives black an advance french without the french bishop weakness
I play it all that time and have a decent win percentage. Have some advance French theory is a bonus. Ppl who play Scandinavian are not usually used to a blocked center so tailor it to your liking
Meet d3 with f4 or develop a piece. The pawn is a dagger
Jun 18, 2024
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#36
PhlebasCaesar wrote:
I play it all that time and have a decent win percentage. Have some advance French theory is a bonus. Ppl who play Scandinavian are not usually used to a blocked center so tailor it to your liking
Then you are playing some weak opposition that has no understanding of chess.
The problem with the French is the bad Bishop
The problem with the Caro-Kann is it's slowness. Gotta play c6 to defend d5 in order to get the Bishop out, then play e6 to switch the role of which pawn covers d5, and then move that c-pawn again to attack d4.
But after 1.e4 d5 2.e5?, Black gets the best of both worlds. He gets his bad Bishop outside the pawn chain, like in the Caro, combined with ...c7-c5 in one go, immediately attacking White's center, like in the French.
I played it in chess tournaments. I am used to the positions. At higher levels I have no doubt it is weaker but Scandinavian players like open positions. If you close up the center I find that many get frustrated.
That's all I am saying
Jun 18, 2024
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#39
It's really not alot like the typical advanced french, you can't even castle queenside / push your kingside pawns due to the bishop pressuring the queenside / guarding the diagonal from attack (the typical advanced french plan). Pushing f4, a typical move in the french, leads to a -.7 swing in the engine eval. I think you just have to castle and play a very normal game that's equal.
Forgetting about the engine eval... which says it's equal, right around 0.00. There are some good openings for white that end up scoring around equal. After pushing e5 the moves just seem to flow completely naturally for black. There is nothing to do in the position, there is no complexity or pressure.
Jun 18, 2024
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#40
If you really want to throw the opponent off in the Scandinavian this is much better... there are some very surprising kingside attacks here. Dubious at master level but anywhere below that it scores very well. You can also transpose non-scandinavian players into it via 1. Nc3 d5 2. e4 which will make it alot more reliable at higher elo -
Capturing on d5 doesn't involve a lot of theory. In other words it's easy to learn and you get a nice position... so you should do that.
I've played 1...d5 a lot in speed games and other moves (2.e5, 2.Nc3, 2.Nf3) aren't challenging.