1. e4 d5

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JimUrban2718
In the Ruy Lopez or other e4 openings for white, what is a good response as white after 1. e4 d5?
IMKeto

Opening Principles:

  1. Control the center squares – d4-e4-d5-e5
  2. Develop your minor pieces toward the center – piece activity is the key
  3. Castle
  4. Connect your rooks

Tactics...tactics...tactics...

The objective of development is about improving the value of your pieces by increasing the importance of their roles. Well-developed pieces have more fire-power than undeveloped pieces and they do more in helping you gain control.

Now we will look at 5 practical things you can do to help you achieve your development objective.

They are:

  1. Give priority to your least active pieces.
  • Which piece needs to be developed (which piece is the least active)
  • Where should it go (where can its role be maximized)
  1. Exchange your least active pieces for your opponent’s active pieces.
  2. Restrict the development of your opponent’s pieces.
  3. Neutralize your opponent’s best piece.
  4. Secure strong squares for your pieces.

 

Don’t help your opponent develop.

There are 2 common mistakes whereby you will simply be helping your opponent to develop:

  1. Making a weak threat that can easily be blocked
  2. Making an exchange that helps your opponent to develop a piece

 

Pre Move Checklist:

  1. Make sure all your pieces are safe.
  2. Look for forcing moves: Checks, captures, threats. You want to look at ALL forcing moves (even the bad ones) as this will force you look at, and see the entire board.
  3. If there are no forcing moves, you then want to remove any of your opponent’s pieces from your side of the board.
  4. If your opponent doesn’t have any of his pieces on your side of the board, then you want to improve the position of your least active piece.
  5. After each move by your opponent, ask yourself: "What is my opponent trying to do?"
kindaspongey
JimUrban2718 wrote:
In the Ruy Lopez or other e4 openings for white, what is a good response as white after 1. e4 d5?

2 exd5 is the usual reaction to 1 e4 d5.

JimUrban2718
After playing around with it some on my own board, I am realizing why 2. e4xd5 may be best compared to a knight or d-pawn move on move 2. It just seems counter-intuitive to move the same pawn twice and capture right away while leaving it undefended.
ThrillerFan
JimUrban2718 wrote:
In the Ruy Lopez or other e4 openings for white, what is a good response as white after 1. e4 d5?

 

1...d5 is not the Ruy Lopez.  It's the Scandinavian.  If you research for the right opening, you'd probably find the right response on numerous Websites.  The Ruy Lopez is 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5, in which Black is not forced to play those 2 moves.  1...d5 is one of many alternatives he has.

JimUrban2718
Okay, so it is impossible to play the Ruy Lopez if black does not respond with e5? Please pardon if this seems like a silly question, as I am relatively new to researching opening strategies.

Is it fair to say that if either side plans to play a specific opening, they need to have a decent repertoire of various openings, because the ability to play each of them depends on the first moves of the other side?
idris-12345

it is so impossible

IMKeto
JimUrban2718 wrote:
Okay, so it is impossible to play the Ruy Lopez if black does not respond with e5? Please pardon if this seems like a silly question, as I am relatively new to researching opening strategies.

Is it fair to say that if either side plans to play a specific opening, they need to have a decent repertoire of various openings, because the ability to play each of them depends on the first moves of the other side?

Your study time would be better spent working on tactics, opening principles, and blunder checking your moves.  Openings at our level do not decide games.

JimUrban2718
IMBacon, I do not believe that studying openings and that studying opening theory and tactics are mutually exclusive. I suspect many of the established openings utilize sound opening theory and tactics, so why try to reinvent the wheel, so to speak?
my137thaccount
JimUrban2718 wrote:
IMBacon, I do not believe that studying openings and that studying opening theory and tactics are mutually exclusive. I suspect many of the established openings utilize sound opening theory and tactics, so why try to reinvent the wheel, so to speak?

It is mutually exclusive - if you don't understand an opening, memorising moves will be counterproductive. You can't understand an opening without understanding the opening principles in full, which IMBacon posted in #2.

kindaspongey
JimUrban2718 wrote:
After playing around with it some on my own board, I am realizing why 2. e4xd5 may be best compared to a knight or d-pawn move on move 2. It just seems counter-intuitive to move the same pawn twice and capture right away while leaving it undefended.

"... the further advanced the queen becomes, the more prone it is to attack from enemy pieces, and this is particularly the case in the opening when there have been no piece trades and the board is cluttered. If you're not careful with your queen handling in the opening then you could easily lose time as it gets pushed from pillar to post. And losing time is not a good idea because you are likely to fall behind in development. ..." - GM John Emms (2006)

This is why White might prefer the result of 1 e4 d5 2 exd5 Qxd5.

kindaspongey
JimUrban2718 wrote:
Okay, so it is impossible to play the Ruy Lopez if black does not respond with e5? ...

Not impossible, but it is unlikely. If a game started with 1 e4 Nc6, it would be possible for a game to continue 2 Nf3 e5 3 Bb5 and end up being considered to be a Ruy Lopez (although some might add, "by transposition").

kindaspongey
JimUrban2718 wrote:
... Is it fair to say that if either side plans to play a specific opening, they need to have a decent repertoire of various openings, because the ability to play each of them depends on the first moves of the other side?

I think that you have the idea. One can get an idea of what a repertoire is like by looking at the example described in the introduction to Opening Repertoire 1 e4.
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7819.pdf

kindaspongey
IMBacon wrote:

... Your study time would be better spent ...

Alternative view available at:

https://www.chess.com/article/view/how-to-start-out-in-chess

kindaspongey
IMBacon wrote:

... Openings at our level do not decide games.

So you don't want to deny that they can influence games? Are you one who obtained Chess Openings Theory and Practice as your first chess book?

kindaspongey
my137thaccount wrote:
JimUrban2718 wrote:
IMBacon, I do not believe that studying openings and that studying opening theory and tactics are mutually exclusive. I suspect many of the established openings utilize sound opening theory and tactics, so why try to reinvent the wheel, so to speak?

It is mutually exclusive - if you don't understand an opening, memorising moves will be counterproductive. ...

In this discussion, did anyone advocate memorising without understanding?

kindaspongey
my137thaccount wrote:

... You can't understand an opening without understanding the opening principles in full, which IMBacon posted in #2.

For many people, is "understanding" a matter of a gradually improving process, accompanied by the examination of examples?

"... I made these for my students. When we can sit one on one, where questions can be asked, and examples givens. ..." - IMBacon (February 16, 2018)

kindaspongey
IMBacon wrote:
JimUrban2718 wrote:
Okay, so it is impossible to play the Ruy Lopez if black does not respond with e5? Please pardon if this seems like a silly question, as I am relatively new to researching opening strategies.

Is it fair to say that if either side plans to play a specific opening, they need to have a decent repertoire of various openings, because the ability to play each of them depends on the first moves of the other side?

Your study time would be better spent working on tactics, opening principles, and blunder checking your moves.  Openings at our level do not decide games.

"... Some here have asked for specifics, and I have tried to explain as well as I can. ..." - IMBacon (February 16, 2018)

Trying very hard to explain at the moment?

ThrillerFan
JimUrban2718 wrote:
Okay, so it is impossible to play the Ruy Lopez if black does not respond with e5? Please pardon if this seems like a silly question, as I am relatively new to researching opening strategies.

Is it fair to say that if either side plans to play a specific opening, they need to have a decent repertoire of various openings, because the ability to play each of them depends on the first moves of the other side?

 

The opening is determined by both players.  There is no way to force any opening.  1.e4, 2.Nf3, and 3.Bb5 is not the Ruy Lopez.  The Ruy Lopez is specifically 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5.

For example, 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 is the Rossolimo Sicilian, not the Ruy Lopez.

Against various openings, 2.Nf3 and 3.Bb5 are just stupid.  1.e4 e6 2.Nf3?! d5 3.Bb5? Is just stupid.  White should play 2.d4 when given the opportunity and in  the French, that Bishop is your Trump card because Black has a bad Bishop.  Why let Black trade it off with 3...Bd7?

JimUrban2718
@kindaspongey thank you for the links. I have glanced at them and will certainly read them over in more detail as time allows. Much appreciated!