1.d4 e6!? ... have you ever seen this variation?

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anxiousboys

I ve been learned chess for two weeks maybe, and stick to d4 opening as a subject of study. Lately i have played this : 1.d4 e6 2.c4 Be2(i'm out of book and ofcourse knowledge)

1.d4 e6 i think he was looking for transposed to either QGD, tarrasch etc after c4 respectively. Suddenly, i played e4 because i think, he will transpose. But, he played ...Bf3 then ...Nc6. What do you think about this 'youknowwhat' variation (you name it) actually aim regardless from my blundered Nc3 and what would i do instead?

Perhaps this is the mistake i have to learn right away. Thanks...

anxiousboys

1.d4 e6 2.c4 Be7 3.e4? Bf6 4.Nc3? Nc6 5.Nf3?

I know this is ridiculous game opening which has no sensible good move but i want to improve what ever it takes even bashfull thing like posted dumb move this way and probably make you lol. Its not the case, i will be doing patiently accept it.

Synaphai

I assume that Be2 should be Be7 and that Bf3 should be Bf6. White's play in that line looks sensible to me; he is ready to play e5 and d5, getting a big space advantage and virtually unchallenged control over the centre.

TwoMove

1.d4 e6 2.c4 Be7 is garbage. 2...Bb4ch called Keres Defence and lately the modern bogo is a serious opening. For example in the 30's Keres used it against such players as Capablanca, Alekine, and Euwe, in classic tournaments like AVRO 38'. 

It has ideas, of transposing to other openings with later Nf6, whilst avoid some Nimzo lines. Alternatively playing f5, all exploiting nf6 not played.

anxiousboys

Okay, i got it...

Makke_Mus

Wernher-von-Braun wrote:

1.d4 e6 is an old and common idea. It's main purpose is to try to encourage 2.e4 thereby transposing into a French Defense. If 2.c4, then you can play normally with 2...Nf6, or even 2...f5 (Dutch Defense)

Or play 2... d5 for a Queen's gambit declined.

JGambit

QGD is one of the least playable respected openings.

drybasin

It's mainly used as a flexible approach of handling d4 and as a transpositional tool.  It's already mentioned that it can easily transpose to the French, the Dutch, and the QGD, but I don't think it has its own unique opening, even with 2.c4 Bb4+, as it often transposes to ideas already found in other openings such as the Bogo or even the Classical Dutch.

@JGambit: Where did you get the "least playable" idea from?  Because I'm certain the majority of the chess world would disagree with you.

TBentley

There 's also the English Defence, 1. d4 e6 2. c4 b6.

drybasin
TBentley wrote:

There 's also the English Defence, 1. d4 e6 2. c4 b6.

I stand corrected.  I've never found that to be the best of openings, though, as White can easily force the position with an early e4 into lines more commonly found in the Owen's Defense, which doesn't have the best of reputations for a good reason.  However, it's certainly playable, but I would rather play the Queen's Indian than the English Defense.  My two cents.

General-Mayhem
JGambit wrote:

QGD is one of the least playable respected openings.

You gotta be kidding, right?

Uhohspaghettio1

I don't think 1. d4 e6 counts as an idea, it's just a logical reply for French players, also this move move is common. After 2. c4 they have the option of the Nimzo-Indian or Queen's Gambit Declined, so it's hardly some crazyland they're entering into.

TwoMove

1.d4 e6 2c4 Bb4ch can go to unique positons after for example 3Bd2 a5, or 3Nd2 c5, or 3Nc3 c5.

It's main value is as a transpositional tool to get type of position want, whilst avoiding others. For example after 3Nc3 b6 an english defence position avoiding the critical line 1d4 e6 2c4 b6 3Bd3. Other example is it is quite popular to play the classical Qc2 line against the Nimzo-Indian. For that player after 1d4 e6 2c4 Bb4ch after agruably the most natural response 3Bd2 white can be tricked into playing a Bogo-Indian. 3Nc3 c5 doesn't allow white to get a classical Nimzo either.

kellypk417

My coach suggested QGD as an answer to d4. I have been studying it a little and it seems like a struggle to get equality. I just asked my coach for some explanation as to why play it. So far, I have to agree with JGambit. What am I missing that makes it good. The middle game end game?

dpnorman

@JGambit and @kellypk417 because white has an extremely hard time proving an advantage. Chess is a draw by best play, but it's hard for black sometimes to find equality. In the Q.G.D., black makes white try to prove any sort of advantage, and other than a little space advantage, it's often so hard for white to do this that the games do end in draws. It's a great opening for something like match play and GM tournaments where draws with black are fine. In Ooen tournaments, maybe not as much (at least for players over 1700ish) but certainly it is an instructive and thematic opening which continues to give white difficulties to this day. The two ways that black can decline the Queen's Gambit, with 2...c6 and 2...e6, are both in pretty good theoretical shape right now as black is equalizing or near-equalizing in a lot of lines.

kellypk417

Thank you for the insight! I thought the answer might be like you said an instructive opening. I'm sure that's why he wanted me to try playing it. There has to be something better though.!

kellypk417

Maybe I should but I don't play for draws I win or I lose.

kellypk417

Can you recommend a good way to learn this opening quickly but thoroughly. lol

dpnorman

@kellypk417 Okay well first off, are you playing OTB? If so, what is your rating? If it's below 1500, you should not have a problem with too many draws if you are playing the Q.G.D.

Anyhow, there are plenty of legit ways to play the Q.G.D. If you want to play any lines involving Be7, and not Bb4 (which can be a bit more double-edged but still have a lot of longer theoretical lines leading to equal positions), definitely use the move order 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 (3. Nf3 Nf6, although 3. Nc3 is much more common) Be7! which makes it a little harder for white to achieve an advantage in a Q.G.D. Exchange if that's what he's looking for. By the way, in the move order 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Nf6 (which obviously can occur by transposition a couple different ways), 4. cxd5 is not challenging to black because after 4...exd5 5. Bg5 h6 6. Bh4 (among other lines, this one just makes a lot of sense to me) Bf5, black is completely equal. Usually black can't get away with Bf5 in the Q.G.D.E., but white pretty much wasted a move with Nf3 which, in a normal Q.G.D.E. move order, he would have used on a move like Qc2 stopping Bf5. The insertion of the moves Nf3 and c6 are great for black because c6 avoids any tricks with Bxf6 and Qb3 (which refutes Bf5 in the main Q.G.D.E. move order, as in 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. cxd5 exd5 5. Bg5 Be7 6. e3 Bf5? 7. Bxf6 and Qb3 next will win a pawn).

Thus, using those move orders, you won't really have to worry about the Queen's Gamit Declined Exchange. Since you're a diamond member, I believe that you can see a nice video made very recently on chess.com on the topic of using the Be7 move order to equalize in the Exchange. So in order to really play for an advantage, white shouldn't use the exchange against the Be7 move order, and instead will likely play 4. Nf3, and after 4...Nf6 we are in a normal Q.G.D. (and again 5. cxd5 exd5 is harmless because the knight should not be on f3 yet, and actually 6. Qc2 c6 7. Bg5 can even be met by 7...g6 preparing 8...Bf5 with equal chances).

So white has a bunch of moves in this position now but the only good ones are 5. Bg5 and 5. Bf4. Recently, 5. e3 was tried by none other than Kramnik, but I don't believe it achieves any advantage, as it just gives white the same bad queen's bishop that black has. On either 5. Bg5 or 5. Bf4 you should castle (h6 is also possible, Nbd7 perhaps also playable). After 5. Bg5 0-0, 6. e3 is most common. White does have some sidelines instead of e3 which produce interesting play but you'll find that e3 is by far the most common move- look up the other ones in a database if you have time. After 6. e3, I think an instructive way to play is 6...h6. This move is actually useful because it not only puts the question to the bishop but also makes any white pressure against h7 easier to handle because black moves that pawn with a tempo- and it's not very weakening as white is rarely able to reasonably get away with a kingside attack to try to take advantage of that. White may play 7. Bxf6 to try to avoid the Tartakower, but this cedes the bishop pair and is not too theoretically threatening to black, and you probably don't need to devote much time to studying this variation until you reach Class A level or so. Instead, white will most likely play 7. Bh4, and then black has two systems which both give reasonable play. I recommend the Tartakower, which is 7...b6, and black intends 8...Bb7 and a later ...c5. Most common (although you'll see all kinds of things in your games, as there are plenty of reasonable, and mostly innocuous, white alternatives here) is 8. Bd3 Bb7 9. 0-0 Nbd7 10. Qe2 c5. Black is doing fine here. If white chooses to start taking black pawns on c5 and d5, he may land black with a "hanging pawn" structure where black's pawns on those squares will not be supported by pawns on the e or b files anymore and thus become weaker. However, they also grant black excellent piece play, so black is usually quite healthy there, too.

The main other option is 5. Bf4 for white. This variation seems to be a little more popular than it used to be since Anand beat Carlsen with it in the World Championship last year, although it's still nowhere near as common as 5. Bg5 at class level. 5...0-0 6. e3 c5 7. dxc5 is the main line, and you'll have to know a little theory, but black is doing fine, as he has the active c6 square for his knight and reasonable development. Also possible is 6...Nbd7, which is a different line.

You will have to do some studying but certainly it is not too demanding for a class-level repertoire against the Q.G. And again, until you hit Class A level or so, lines that have high drawing tendencies are not that drawish, because people make mistakes. Good luck with the Q.G.D. I agree with your coach that it is an instructive and good choice.

kellypk417

@dpnorman Thank you very informative but a lot to take in, l will be referring back often! sounds like you know it very well! I hear you on the draws... lol