1...d6 (not a pirc)

Hello I was looking for opening ideas for black against 1. e4 and found the 1...d6 book by Cyrus Lakdawala. Looking at the kindle preveiw on Amazon (the kindle preveiw is longer than paperback for some reason) I thought it looked like the sort of thing I would like to play. I don't want to buy the book though until I play it for a while however so I was wondering if a premium member could create a group or something for anyone interested in the opening to practice it in vote chess etc. You can also express any ideas about it down below (I already know it's a bit dubious btw).

Thanks

 - username_05

that's a pirc. it might transpose into something else but...

Rose by any other name...

2.d4 is by far the most popular, and principled move.  White can play with something like 2.Nc3 or 2.Nf3 but those moves give Black additional options like ...c5 (going into a Sicilian) or ...e5 (playing a KP game)

2...Nf6 is logical then to develop and attack e4, since e4-e5 is bad for White.  3.Nc3 is an equally logical response, developing and defending e4.  White can defend e4 with other moves, but they are rare and most of them allow Black easy play by continuing to counter-attack the center.

At this point Black has a major choice to make.  3...g6, fianchettoing to develop the Kside, is called the Pirc Defense.  3...c6 is called the Czech or Pribyl.  It is a waiting move, works well against the N on c3, and potentially ..Qa5 can be useful.  3...e5 is an attempt to get a slightly worse Q-less middlegame, but White can transpose to the Philidor if he wants.  3...Nbd7 is another way to try to transpose to the Philidor without allowing the Q trade.

Our group serves both flavors.  All are invited to join.

The book is more on things like this: 1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 c6 4. Nf3 Bg4 then one option for white is 5. Be2 e6 6. 0-0 and black will play d5 later. There are also many other lines for when white plays other lines. I'll give a link to the amazon page so you can look at the previews: link

Also here is it in text: http://www.amazon.com/d6-Move-Everyman-Chess/dp/1857446836/ref=la_B00IU345BY_1_13?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1399348300&sr=1-13

As said in the book this particular opening system does not actualy have a name (just to clarify that).

This author is advocating that Black play the Pribyl 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 c6, the Wade Defense 1.d4 d6 2.Nf3 Bg4 (in the case where White clamps down on e5), and against 1.d4 & 2.c4 he suggests 1.d4 d6 2.c4 e5! which doesn't have a name but is quite effective.

Thanks for the names . I guess I ment as far as I know it doesn't have a name.

So can anyone make a group or something?

If I'm not very much mistaken, chess.com allows free trial premium memberships for a short period of time. If you get one, then perhaps you can form the group yourself.  

There are a couple of Admin training groups here as well as groups that are well run that you can use as a model.  As they say, "if you want something done right..."

They offer you one when you join but if you want to activate it you have to actualy sign up for it and they just don't charge you the first month. You have to actualy give them credit card details which I can't do.

Ah. I see. I'm afraid my hands are currently tied up at the moment with other groups so I can't start a new one.  However, I do help run the Pirc Cafe and we do have 1...d6 on the menu, at least against 1.e4.  Just click our logo above, we'll let you in and you can browse around.  After you join, you can look at the forum topic "Preset Starting Positions" and see our selection of start up positions.  Perhaps there is something that matches what's in the 1...d6 book.  

I like the book/opening, especially the lines where I get to play a slow French Defense without the bad bishop.

Stormstout, do you remember what opening did we play? Was it French or Sicilian? :)

Thanks. I'll request to join the group now.

I was only going to use it against e4 anyway. I have d4 sorted.

No, it's not a Pirc.

The Pirc is specifically d6 and g6 WITH Nf6 played AND no c4 by White (with c4, it's a King's Indian Defense).  The Modern is g6 without Nf6, usually combined with either c6 (which can also transpose to the Caro-Kann) or d6.

I own the book he's talking about.  In essence, it's 2 openings he covers:

The Pribyl Defense - 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 c6 (NOT 3...g6, which would be a Pirc)

The No Name Defense - 1.d4 d6 2.c4 e5

I actually played this stuff as recent as this time last year.  I was playing 1...d6 at the 2013 Chicago Open.  Now I just don't really trust it, mainly because of the f4 lines (what would be an "Austrian Attack" if this were a Pirc or Modern).

I could, in theory, play 1...d6 against 1.d4, since what I play now is a Modern Defense anyway.  After 2.e4, I would play 2...g6, and against 2.c4, I would play 2...e5.  However, for the last year almost, I've played 1...g6 against both 1.e4 and 1.d4

Not all openings are determined by move 1. 

1.e4 e6 is not a French.  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 is a French.  2.d3 would be either a weird King Pawn opening, or else a King's Indian Attack if White fianchettos the King's Bishop. 1.e4 e6 2.d4 c5 and you have either a Sicilian (3.Nf3) or Franco Benoni (3.d5), not a French.

1.e4 d6 is not a Pirc.  Add in 2...g6 w/o Nf6, you have a Modern.  Play 2...Nf6 and 3...c6, you have a Pribyl.  Play 2...Nf6 and 3...e5 or 2...Nf6 and 3...Nbd7 followed by 4...e5, and you have a Philidor.

So just remember that very few openings are defined by the first move alone!

ThrillerFan is correct; 1...d6 is NOT a Pirc. According to Keene and Botterill the Pirc is a sub-system of the Modern Defense defined by the position after 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 when Black forces White to defend e4, usually with 3.Nc3.

There is a book which presents a repertoire following 1...d6 titled, "An Explosive Chess Opening Repertoire for Black" by Yrjola and Tella (google it)

Here is an excerpt from the introduction;
Transpositions and Related Openings
"The repertoire starting with 1...d6 is very flexible in many ways. Black's first move avoids any direct contact of the forces, and gives Black a chance to chose many different set-ups and plans. The move 1...d6 also offers possibilities for many different transpositions."

Then several named openings are listed including the KID and Pirc, Modern Defense, Old Indian, Dutch Lenningrad and more.

A group for 1...d6 is a great idea but I am already buried in projects. Are you certain one does not already exist?

I'm pretty sure. I am playing the modern mostly now anyway but thanks for commenting and the link to the book etc.