Aggressive non-gambit opening for white?

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Duck_Of_Doom

I am looking for aggressive opening for white, but one which doesn't involve giving away a pawn or two, because that notion takes me out of my comfort zone where I force and rush things trying to equalize as soon as possible.

 

Another criterion is also that I want to operate on his kingside, and go after his king's throat, at some point in the game. Doesn't have to be as soon as possible.

 

Any ideas?

I was very impressed by Bobby Fisher's advice on how to crack dragon sicillian, where he proposes that black loses to single move h4, where white is brewing a storm on his kingside, and with correct play, attack should be insurmountable.

But that doesn't quite work if one of his kingside pawn is not protruded.


How can I let black know after he castles kingside, that storm is about to be created on his king?

 

And another question, is castling queenside in these scenarios adviseable?

I really like castling queenside in these circumstances, and letting the mayhem begin. If your suggestion is compatible with queenside castle, that would be great.

 

Thank you

SJFG

There are quite a few aggressive openings for White. I play 1. c4 aggressively, but that's probably not what you're looking for. I used to play 1. e4 and noticed that often White castles queenside and goes for a kingside pawn storm. Note that you can not always get this, obviously; it depends on what your opponent plays.

After 1. e4:

Against the Sicilian Najdorf play 6. Be3 or 6. f3 for an English attack, similar to the attack against the Dragon you mentioned. Against variations such as the Accelerated Dragon this attack doesn't work so well, but there are plenty of good options for White.

Against 1...e5 you probably won't castle kingside, but a lot of openings for White are aggressive. I played the Ruy Lopez and noticed that generally I was able to generate some pressure.

Against the French I played 3. Nc3. If Black goes for 3...Bb4 White won't castle queenside, but White will attack on the kingside. If Black plays 3...Nf6 play 4. Bg5. 4...Be7 (4...dxe4 is also common) 5. e5 Nfd7 6. Bxe7 Qxe7 7. f4 will often result in White castling queenside and playing for a kingside pawn storm.

Agains the Caro-Kann play the Classical variation. In the mainlines White castlings queenside and often attacks on the kingside. As a Caro-Kann player I must warn you that Black will probably be used to dealing with these attacks and crush you in the ending if your attack doesn't work.

On a more general note, challenge yourself. If you're afraid to give up material when there is compensation (which is natural), you have found a weakness that needs to be improved. I also tend to be a careful player, but sometimes need to sacrifice material. The rewards will be worth it. I recently played the Alabama state champion in a blitz tournament and beat him by sacrificing an exchange for long term compensation. Before this I had never beaten him.

Americu

The Scotch is aggressive ( the Scotch Gambit is super aggressive )

D_for_DJ

open scilian, PP najdorf for white, PP french winwar for white, 1.e4. As black play the GRUNFELD/KID and the najdorf. HAVE FUN

Duck_Of_Doom

Thanks SJFG, I tried English attack and I've had a blast playing it. Exactly what I was looking for. For ages I've been irritated with his h5 to stop my pawn advance, but not anymore.

One thing though, what about English opening against blacks e5?


Can you  still force it? I've tried to do so couple of times, and I have mixed feelings about it.

Duck_Of_Doom

I've played against Chessmaster grandmaster edition just now using general English attack ideas and similar structure, and it seems there's no direct refutation of it.

What do you reckon?

 



SJFG

I'm not exactly sure I understand. If you mean trying to go for an English/Yugoslav Attack type of thing after 1. e4 e5, I don't think it's possible, but of course there are good lines for White.

If you feel like you're running out of ideas, I recommend studying annotated games such as those contained in Logical Chess: Move by Move. Openings play a part of chess, but are only a part of it.

Edit: I just saw your last comment. I suppose the Vienna game (reached by 2. Nc3 or transposed to as in your game after 2. Bc3 Nc6 3. Nc3) might fit what you're looking for to a degree. White often attacks on the kingside. I don't know that 4. f3 is such a good idea though; sometimes White instead wants to play f4 in the Vienna. I'd recommend more normal development first and then later decide where the f- pawn should go. Really, I don't know much about the Vienna though... I guess just feel free to experiment, but don't be stubborn if your idea isn't working.

Dark_Falcon
Duck_Of_Doom hat geschrieben:

I am looking for aggressive opening for white, but one which doesn't involve giving away a pawn or two, because that notion takes me out of my comfort zone where I force and rush things trying to equalize as soon as possible.

 

Another criterion is also that I want to operate on his kingside, and go after his king's throat, at some point in the game. Doesn't have to be as soon as possible.

 

Any ideas?

I was very impressed by Bobby Fisher's advice on how to crack dragon sicillian, where he proposes that black loses to single move h4, where white is brewing a storm on his kingside, and with correct play, attack should be insurmountable.

But that doesn't quite work if one of his kingside pawn is not protruded.


How can I let black know after he castles kingside, that storm is about to be created on his king?

 

And another question, is castling queenside in these scenarios adviseable?

I really like castling queenside in these circumstances, and letting the mayhem begin. If your suggestion is compatible with queenside castle, that would be great.

 

Thank you

In most gambits you dont sacrifice a pawn or two only to try to win it back later, you sacrifice for

- being ahead in development

- getting free files and diagonals for your pieces

- getting a majority of pieces on the opponent kings side to launch an attack

If you are the pea counter type of chess player and you are being afraid of being down in material, you shouldnt play a gambit (except of the queens gambit for sure).

krzysztofizdebski

Anyway the best are gambits - King's, Morra (for white), Charlick/Englund, Budapest, Latvian (for black) Off course - it's not idea of gambit to look for equality very fast. I love Muzio/Polerio Gambit  and I kill my knight  and bishop not to rebalance material but to win the game. And it's my own version of King's Gambit against ''Modern Defence'' :) - 1.e4 e5 2.f4 ef 3.Nf3 d5 4.e5 !? g5 5.d4 Nc6 6.c3 Be6 7.Bd3 g4 8.B:f4 gf 9.Q:f3 Qh4+ 10.Bg3 Qg4 11.Qf2 Be7 12.Nd2 a5 13.O-O O-O-O 14.a3 Re8 15.b4 f6 16.b5 Na7 17.ef N:f6 18.b6 cb 19.Rab1 Ne4 20.N:e4 de 21.Be2 Qg5 22.R:b6 B:a3 23.Ba6 ba 24.Rb8+ Kd7 25.Rb7+ Kc8 26.Rb8+ Kd7 27.Rb7+ Kc6 28.Rc7+ Kb6 29.d5+ e3 30.Qa2 B:d5 31.Q:a3 Bc6 32.Rb1+ Nb5 33.c4 Qf5 34.Qc1 Bb7 35.cb ab 36.R:b7+ K:b7 37.Qc7+ Ka6 38.Qc6+ Ka7 39.R:b5 Q:b5 and white wins after long endgame.  

PRI-25052618

Exch. Ruy Lopez is good.

Duck_Of_Doom

Yea, Vienna game seems to hit a nail on the head for me.

I obviously misnamed it, but you get the picture - depending on the move order, it may transpose into many different attacks.

 

f4 definitely seems like a better option, thanks yet again for pointing this out.

lolurspammed

You can't force an attacking game if your opponent doesn't want it, from the opening at least. This is more true with black than with white, but still with white black has options to keep the game solid. This is especially true in one dimensional systems like the Colle, where its only really aggressive and dangerous if black encourages it with a blocked in light squared bishop and early d5. Of course black is fine here in these lines, but white can get an attack if black isn't cautious.

Duck_Of_Doom

lolurspammed, you're absolutely, right, and that is the perfect answer to why I don't like gambits anymore.

If black is prepared, there's very little you can do to outmanevour him and it's depressive to see your attack fizzle, and end up in endgame with material down.

That's also true for the plans I have, however, I do not plan on being a grandmaster or playing against opponents which have such a deep understanding of the position.

I feel that with 2 or 3 different systems (like scotch, maybe gambiting it, Viena and yugoslav attack) I should apply enough resistance to succesfully grind up up to 1700 opponents.

 

Your argument still stands though.

lolurspammed

Not all gambits are just losing endgames though. For example the Benko is designed to get to a superior endgame a pawn down with good open files and activity. Practicality is important. You shouldn't play trash like the Halloween gambit against players you respect in skill, but the kings gambit or the Evans gambit/smith morra/ geller gambit are not at all forced losses.

Diakonia
Duck_Of_Doom wrote:

I am looking for aggressive opening for white, but one which doesn't involve giving away a pawn or two, because that notion takes me out of my comfort zone where I force and rush things trying to equalize as soon as possible.

 

Another criterion is also that I want to operate on his kingside, and go after his king's throat, at some point in the game. Doesn't have to be as soon as possible.

 

Any ideas?

I was very impressed by Bobby Fisher's advice on how to crack dragon sicillian, where he proposes that black loses to single move h4, where white is brewing a storm on his kingside, and with correct play, attack should be insurmountable.

But that doesn't quite work if one of his kingside pawn is not protruded.


How can I let black know after he castles kingside, that storm is about to be created on his king?

 

And another question, is castling queenside in these scenarios adviseable?

I really like castling queenside in these circumstances, and letting the mayhem begin. If your suggestion is compatible with queenside castle, that would be great.

 

Thank you

You want agression with no risk?

You want to let your opponent know you want to attack his king?

You may want to first work on figuring out how to play the lines you dont understand.  

Also...you cant attack if your opponent wont allow it.  Then what are you going to do?

Learn the entire game of chess, not just trying to be agressive without risk?

Dark_Falcon
Duck_Of_Doom hat geschrieben:

lolurspammed, you're absolutely, right, and that is the perfect answer to why I don't like gambits anymore.

If black is prepared, there's very little you can do to outmanevour him and it's depressive to see your attack fizzle, and end up in endgame with material down.

That's also true for the plans I have, however, I do not plan on being a grandmaster or playing against opponents which have such a deep understanding of the position.

I feel that with 2 or 3 different systems (like scotch, maybe gambiting it, Viena and yugoslav attack) I should apply enough resistance to succesfully grind up up to 1700 opponents.

 

Your argument still stands though.

Iam almost always playing unsound openings and dubious gambits like Blackmar-Diemer-, Gibbins-Weidenhagen-, Soller- or Latvian-Gambit.

And below 2000 i rarely met well prepared players, even in correspondence chess (iam playing on a 1900 level in OTB matches).

When i look at your rating of 1300 in blitz, you shouldnt be scared of "well prepared opponents" among patzers.

On this level a pawn down means nothing, because players on this level will blunder more than a pawn during the game Cool

And being a pawn down with the advantage of bringing your opp out of book in the second or third move means a lot more...

lolurspammed

When my opponent is out of book, it's likely I am too.

profmain
FirebrandX wrote:

The OP might want to consider the Colle-Zuckertort. The entire formation is based on cracking the kingside. There's less theory to cover than your straightforward main lines, and it lends itself pretty well to be blended with alternatives like the Nimzo-Larsen Attack or Stonewall Attack. There's a book that I did the cover for based on using it as a weapon here:

 

http://www.gambitbooks.com/books/A_Killer_Chess_Opening_Repertoire_-_new_enlarged_edition.html

Closeup of the cover art here:

http://www.firebrandx.com/c089.htm

 Nice art!

MitchCanadian

Try the bishops opening! It's not too agressive, and and the same time quite solid. With the early bishop you can produce many great attacks.

RussBell

You might want to check out the following books.  They all feature "aggressive" openings and systems for White and which the attacks are typically focused on the opponent's Kingside. 

In this regard, some Queen-pawn openings (1.d4) which are considered aggressive and which focus on Kingside attacks by White are - Colle System (Koltanowski and Zukertort variations), London System, Veresov Opening, Trompowsky Attack, Torre Attack, Barry Attack, 150 Attack.

The following are a few popular books which feature these openings:

"A Killer Chess Opening Repertoire" by Aaron Summerscale and Sverre Johnsen

http://www.amazon.com/Killer-Chess-Opening-Repertoire-enlarged/dp/1906454183/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1453517514&sr=1-1&keywords=a+killer+chess+opening+repertoire

"Starting Out: d-pawn Attacks" by Richard Palliser

http://www.amazon.com/Starting-Out-Attacks-Colle-Zukertort-Everyman/dp/1857445783/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1453517862&sr=1-1&keywords=d+pawn+attacks

"Win With The London System" by Sverre Johnsen & Vlatko Kovacevic

http://www.amazon.com/Win-London-System-Sverre-Johnsen/dp/1904600352/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1453517996&sr=1-2&keywords=london+system+chess

A kingside attacking repertoire for White 1.e4 player is presented in 

"Attacking With 1 e4" by Johm Emms

http://www.amazon.com/Attacking-Everyman-Chess-John-Emms/dp/1857442679/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1453518216&sr=1-1&keywords=attacking+with+1+e4

I think all of the aforemention books do a better than average job of presenting the systems described.

It should be noted that, while the term "aggressive" accurately describes the nature of the systems given in these books, the initial opening phase proceeds somewhat slowly and deliberately, in order to set up the pawn structure and piece placement to support the impending attack, which is typically focused on the kingside.  For example, in these systems the center is not opened quickly, as might be the case with, say, the Scotch Opening.