I know that there are some variations named after americans:
morphy defense in Ruy Lopez
Pillsbury variation...
American opening or defense??
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Estragon wrote:
Marshall Attack, Marshall Gambit . . . there's a Showalter line in the Classical Sicilian, I think. While Americans did innovative work in many opening lines, it has rarely resulted in the line getting their name, though.
I think it would be proper to rename the sozin attack the Fischer attack but I won't hold my breath. There is a Fischer variation in the Nimzo-Indian....
Jun 4, 2011
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Reb wrote:
Estragon wrote:
Marshall Attack, Marshall Gambit . . . there's a Showalter line in the Classical Sicilian, I think. While Americans did innovative work in many opening lines, it has rarely resulted in the line getting their name, though.
I think it would be proper to rename the sozin attack the Fischer attack but I won't hold my breath. There is a Fischer variation in the Nimzo-Indian....
Ah yes, but these are all variations of classic openings.
I wonder where the traxler/wilkes barre was invented. I guess you could call even that a variation of the 2 knights defense, though?
I don't know if anyone else shares my opinion, but I consider the Benko Gambit to be an American defense. Yeah, it was invented in Russia and is also known as the Volga Gambit. Yeah, Benko was Hungarian before he became American. But he was American when he developed it into a high level weapon and had great success with it.
Jun 4, 2011
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It´s quite interesting that a country with a population of over the 300 million people doesn´t has an opening named after it :D. I wonder what says about the population of the country (just messing with you guys).
Us Dutchies have an entire spectrum of openings named after our country.
Quasimorphy wrote:
I don't know if anyone else shares my opinion, but I consider the Benko Gambit to be an American defense. Yeah, it was invented in Russia and is also known as the Volga Gambit. Yeah, Benko was Hungarian before he became American. But he was American when he developed it into a high level weapon and had great success with it.
Is Benko actually American? I've only found that he emigrated to the U.S.A. I don't see anywhere that he actually has the American nationality.
RainbowRising wrote:
Reb wrote:
Estragon wrote:
Marshall Attack, Marshall Gambit . . . there's a Showalter line in the Classical Sicilian, I think. While Americans did innovative work in many opening lines, it has rarely resulted in the line getting their name, though.
I think it would be proper to rename the sozin attack the Fischer attack but I won't hold my breath. There is a Fischer variation in the Nimzo-Indian....
Why?
Why what ?
What about the Cambridge Springs Defense?
RainbowRising wrote:
Well you only proposed one thing so I thought the question why would be obvious
WHy should it be called the fischer attack?
For the same reasons that the volga gambit was changed to the Benko gambit. Fischer did more with the sozin than anyone else and played it much of his career.
Also, your "why" could have been asking why I wont hold my breath .
Wouter_Remmerswaal wrote:
Is Benko actually American?
Yep, Benko became an American citizen, but I don't know what year. I don't know what the requirements were back then, but he was playing on the U.S. chess team in 1962.
He defected in 1957, and the Cold War was pretty tense at that time, so I assumed his citizenship was pushed through pretty quickly.
RainbowRising wrote:
Reb wrote:
RainbowRising wrote:
Well you only proposed one thing so I thought the question why would be obvious
WHy should it be called the fischer attack?
For the same reasons that the volga gambit was changed to the Benko gambit. Fischer did more with the sozin than anyone else and played it much of his career.
Also, your "why" could have been asking why I wont hold my breath .
Well the answer to that is obvious - too few believe what you do
Surely an opening should be named after its creater, not someone who did a lot with it. You dont hear Russians claiming that the dragon should be renamed the Kasparov.
So why is Alekhines defense so named ? He did not "create" the opening..... and a river cant create an opening either ( Volga Gambit ) nor can a city ( Cambridge Springs ) .... 
RainbowRising wrote:
Cos Alekhine invented it but never played it.
The others are named after a place or event eg Vienna Game
Actually he played it in 2 games in the 1921 Budapest tourney....
I admire Fischer for his chess and the obstacles he had to overcome virtually alone. His being American doesnt hurt ofcourse but is far from being the only, or even primary, reason.
1) Nf3 .... 2) b3 .... 3) Bb2 .... What name this opening?
I think you are overly pessimistic, here are some which are at least partly in use, maybe not generally accepted.
American Gambit of the Dutch Defense 1.d4 f5 2.e4 fxe4 3.Nd2 Brooklyn Defense of the Alekhine's Defence 1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Ng8 Chicago Defense to the Smith-Morra Gambit against the Sicilian Defence 1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 dxc3 4.Nxc3 e6 5.Nf3 d6 6.Bc4 a6 7.0-0 b5 8.Bb3 Nc6 9.Qe2 Be7 10.Rd1 Ra7 Colorado Defense of the Nimzowitsch Defense 1.e4 Nc6 2.Nf3 f5 Fort Knox Variation of the French Defence 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Bd7 5. Nf3 Bc6 Manhattan Gambit of the Dutch Defense 1.d4 f5 2.Qd3 Nf6 3.g4 Manhattan Variation of the QGD (also called the Westphalia Defense) 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Nbd7 5.Nf3 Bb4 or 5.e3 Bb4 Massachusetts Defense of the Caro-Kann Defence 1.e4 c6 2.d4 f5 Miami Variation of the Italian Gambit 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.d4 Bxd4 5.Nxd4 Nxd4 6.Be3 San Francisco Gambit of the Sicilian Defence 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Na5 4.b4And there may be some other ones of which Im not sure the name is American or not.
Kidding right?
Aachen Gambit of the Nimzowitsch Defense 1.e4 Nc6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 Nb4 Bavarian Gambit 1.e4 e5 2.c4 d5 Berlin Variation of the Ruy Lopez 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 Bremen Variation of the English Opening 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.g3 Cologne Gambit of the Ware Opening 1.a4 b6 2.d4 d5 2.Nc3 Nd7 (Assuming what is meant is Koln/Keulen of course) Dresden Opening 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4 Duisburg Gambit of the QGD 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 c5 4.cxd5 cxd4 Kiel Variation of the Scandinavian Defense 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.d4 Nxd5 4.c4 Nb4 Leipzig Gambit (or Müller-Schulze Gambit) 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nxe5?! Nuremberg Variation of the Ruy Lopez 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 f6 Tübingen Gambit of the Dunst Opening 1.Nc3 Nf6 2.g4 Westphalia Defense in the Queen's Gambit Declined: An alternative name for the Manhattan Variation, 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Nbd7 5.Nf3 Bb4 or 5.e3 Bb4 Wiesbaden Variation of the Slav Defense 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 dxc4 5.a4 Bf5 6.Ne5 e6
Jun 4, 2011
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Hey guys, my question has to do with actual openings. I'm aware that there are variations that have "american" genalogy, so to speak. However what I'm wondering about are actual distinct openings. To wit:
The French
The Italien game
The spanish Game
The Dutch Defense
The English Opening
The Scandinavian defense
The Russian Game
Polish Defense
Etc, etc...
To my way of thinking these are not variations of some other opening, in the way that, for instance, the "Berlin" is major variation of the Spanish/ruy lopez, or how the Sozin is a variation of the Sicilian.
@rainbow and I've read GM Solits argue that Sozin really ought to be rechristianed as the Fischer variation. I think the point is that openings really get named by either WHO made them in to "modern" weapons/tools and/or where players came from with whom opening came to be associated, such as Willkes barre/traxler (pennsylvania) or English.
Also, Rainbow, say what you will about the Dragon and Kasparov, but clearly the Dragon was a weapon of choice, with its dramatic ups and downs, for literally decades before Kasparov ever really got a hold of it. The same point applies to Benko/Volga.
Anyway, I'm not trying to control what you guys talk about here vis a vis openings and naming. Rather I'm trying to clarify what i was wondering about in my initial post.
Since there is an english opening, french, dutch defense, spanish game, Italian game, Scandinavian, Austrian gambit, etc...I wonder if there is any opening that might be considered an "american" opening or defence?
Perhaps the "Wilkes barre" (Traxler) or (god forbid) the Matrix attack (eww). Perhaps the "bong cloud", although perhaps that ought to be considered a sort of a dutch opening (hehe)...