Any thoughs on this variantion of a polish opening?

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Pansurvival

What are your thoughts?Is it good?Is it bad?Or just meh?

Pansurvival
MauriceEugene napisał:

Weak garbage a3 is so cowardly I almost didn't respond I mean lookit just because you're polish doesn't mean you should play the polish wow

I found this opening by accident, I didn't even know before that there was a polish opening in chess.

 

MaddyCole

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JCGUY777
Have you tried the polish Bongcloud, the polish-cloud, the polish-punisher, or the Polish Bong-gone-wrong openings?
JCGUY777
My other favourite is the Polish Weed Opening.
JCGUY777
All e4 punishers. E4 players beware. I am going after you ALL.
spell_part_backwards

a3 is a sub-optimal move that gives you a disadvantage, compared to the exchange variation which equalizes for white and black.

Wildekaart

This is suboptimal. You're not controlling the center enough, even for a hypermodern opening which is based around this principle of controlling the center from the sides. You probably also won't catch people off guard if your opponents just follow the main opening principles that you're breaking in the first four moves.

AdmiralAsia

I actually used to play this, what I played after would pretty much be the same, d3, Nd2, e4, g3 Nf3, bg2, 0-0 (all for white), and I actually quite liked it. After the opening, the queenside tends to get emptied out so it's imperative you get the rooks connected asap, if the they try to close the center c4 is a useful move, and when the board opens up the bishop on g2 is a really good piece. Its easy to equalize as black but i liked to play it as white tbh

AdmiralAsia

These aren't good moves but this is what it probably would look like after a couple of opening moves

sndeww
Pansurvival hat geschrieben:
 

What are your thoughts?Is it good?Is it bad?Or just meh?

I’ve played 1.a3 and 2.b4 like once or twice but I’ve played it against myself when I was bored countless of times. I think it is fine, but white needs to know his stuff. For example, Nc3 is bad. Better was e3 and c4.

sndeww
spell_part_backwards hat geschrieben:

a3 is a sub-optimal move that gives you a disadvantage, compared to the exchange variation which equalizes for white and black.

a3 is a transpositional move that yields black equality at best. One of the advantages of playing the white pieces.

darkunorthodox88

first 3 moves are fine, an alternative to the bxb4 mainline which is fine for white but has a different flavor than almost all the other b4 lines.

4.nc3 however makes no sense whatsoever . Playing c4 is practically necessarily sooner or later in all 1.b4 lines.

MTL_Made

I like the polish alot. i dont like the mive nc3 coupled with the polish. at least not before pushing c4. It seems to me like white ought be pushing his queenside pawns early on in the opening, as black is dominate in the center. My only question is where the f1 bishop will go. g3 bg2 looks slow and it seems rather inactive on e2

AussieMatey

Not bad though, though it could be improved, though.

spell_part_backwards
B1ZMARK wrote:
spell_part_backwards hat geschrieben:

a3 is a sub-optimal move that gives you a disadvantage, compared to the exchange variation which equalizes for white and black.

a3 is a transpositional move that yields black equality at best. One of the advantages of playing the white pieces.

In the Book "The Sokolsky Opening l.b4 in Theory & Practice" Jerzy Konikowski Reccomends Bishop B2 vs E5 by Black

 

The Move Pawn to A3 vs Blacks Pawn to E5 is called the Bugayev Attack and is generally considered inferior since black can play Pawn to D5 without the fear of His E pawn Hanging and getting taken by the Bishop

 

Sure, A3 isn't that bad but the Bugayev Attack is not as good as Bb2

darkunorthodox88
spell_part_backwards wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
spell_part_backwards hat geschrieben:

a3 is a sub-optimal move that gives you a disadvantage, compared to the exchange variation which equalizes for white and black.

a3 is a transpositional move that yields black equality at best. One of the advantages of playing the white pieces.

In the Book "The Sokolsky Opening l.b4 in Theory & Practice" Jerzy Konikowski Reccomends Bishop B2 vs E5 by Black

 

The Move Pawn to A3 vs Blacks Pawn to E5 is called the Bugayev Attack and is generally considered inferior since black can play Pawn to D5 without the fear of His E pawn Hanging and getting taken by the Bishop

 

Sure, A3 isn't that bad but the Bugayev Attack is not as good as Bb2

this is surely a hasty generalization. They are some lines of of the bxb4 lines that unless white is willing to be outright worse, lead to forced draw with best play. While i usually play 2.bb2 more than 2. a3, the latter keeps the position far more flexible. 

Dsmith42

The point of the Orangutan (which is the name I've always used for 1. b4) is to cripple black's queenside development with an early b5.  So 1. b4 e5 2. Bb2 f6?! (d6 is probably better) 3. b5! and if 3. ..a6 4. a4! keeps the c6-square covered.

Of course, I've never thought the "main line" 1. ..e5 to be very good.  An Expert I know uses 1. ..c6 to good effect, while I've had very good results with 1. ..d5 preparing to block the long diagonal.

sndeww
spell_part_backwards hat geschrieben:
B1ZMARK wrote:
spell_part_backwards hat geschrieben:

a3 is a sub-optimal move that gives you a disadvantage, compared to the exchange variation which equalizes for white and black.

a3 is a transpositional move that yields black equality at best. One of the advantages of playing the white pieces.

In the Book "The Sokolsky Opening l.b4 in Theory & Practice" Jerzy Konikowski Reccomends Bishop B2 vs E5 by Black

 

The Move Pawn to A3 vs Blacks Pawn to E5 is called the Bugayev Attack and is generally considered inferior since black can play Pawn to D5 without the fear of His E pawn Hanging and getting taken by the Bishop

 

Sure, A3 isn't that bad but the Bugayev Attack is not as good as Bb2

The middlegames are easier for black in the Bb2 line imo, because if he simply gets rid of the b pawn he has an open file, and in my experiences playing it it isn’t fun for white. 

a3, on the other hand, yields positions I’m more comfortable with. I’m just speaking from experience, I don’t actually have an opening book. But if the book simply states that a3 is inferior because it gives black the center, then I would not read the book. 

Dsmith42

@B1ZMARK - 2. a3 is not inferior because it gives black the center, it is inferior because it doesn't create space on the queenside, with is the point of 1. b4.  The Orangutan commits white to a plan, and it is to limit what support black can provide to the big pawn center with his queenside pieces.  If the fianchetto were the main point, then white would play Larsen's (1. b3) instead.  The a-pawn is going to a4 in this opening system anyway, and so 2. a3 merely wastes a tempo on the way to getting it there.

Black can't effectively play symmetrically, so the push to b5 is an important point.  In fact, I've seen 1. b4 e5 2. b5 played very often, and usually to good effect.  The c6 square is the best development square that the b8 knight has, and with it under threat, both that knight and the c8 bishop must now develop through d7, which is slower and presents no targets of attack since white hasn't advanced any central pawns.