Beginners SHOULD learn openings

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PrimalDual

There seems to be a common thread of advice throughout the chess world that beginners shouldn't learn openings until 1500 or so, and spend more time on analytical ability.  I think this is terrible advice and I want to address it so some of the higher level players stop giving this advice and beginners aren't left defenseless.

Beginners don't have a great deal of analytical ability.  This makes them very susceptible to opening traps.  The opening requires some of the most analytical ability because the usually taught tactics aren't really there, there are virtually no puzzles that help one think about good moves in this situation, and there are way more combinations of subtle moves that might have to be considered. (That's why opening theory exists in the first place)  People with weak analytical ability shouldn't be forced to wing it on the most analytical part of the game.  In my opinion this is not well remedied by studying opening principles, as one size fit all rules are difficult to flexibly use and still result in losing good position in the first 10 moves against traps.  Without analytical ability to use said principles they're useless.  On the flip side, the beginner who does learn opening traps and plays against others who don't will get a free pass on a bunch of games.

TL,DR beginners should learn the first five moves of a bunch of openings, and ignore all the higher rating players who tell them to avoid openings.

25GSchatz22

Who said openings weren't allowed for <1500 players? People just said to learn fewer than 3 openings. Learning too many bogs you down.

marqumax

Why would you learn openings as a beginner lol

RDD82

Fried liver attack is the first opening anyone should learn with white imo, so easy to remember the moves and so easy for people to fall into the traps.

Fried livered someone just now.

 



JackRoach

True. I was a very casual chess player from 7ish (when my dad totally demolished me.) to 11 (when I occasionally beat my dad). If you are wondering, I beat my dad 99% of the time now.

When I was 10-11ish, I had a family reunion. My cousin and I played a lot of games, almost all of them starting out like this.

I didn't know about openings, none of the family in the reunion as far as I know did. Then I watched a chess movie, "Pawn Sacrifice." I understood little, not knowing much about tournament chess and chess in general. In fact, when it came to the scene vs. Boris Spassky where Bobby made his blunder, I didn't realize how it was a blunder. The one thing I knew, was Bobby usually played e4, and I realized it was good because it put a pawn in the center and freed the bishop. Then opening ideas unfolded, What was the opening? What do you do? Instead of playing dubious opening moves, I realized that openings were important.

BrashTwig

good i thought the same

 

1Na3-10

i learnt so many chess openings and now I have got 7 opening books. 

williamveasey

After  move  5 exd5  play  knight  to  a5.  It  stops  all  the  nonsense.

RDD82
williamveasey wrote:

After  move  5 exd5  play  knight  to  a5.  It  stops  all  the  nonsense.

 

if you were 1000 points lower you wouldn't spot it happy.png

FutureGM_Casper

I kinda agree with you.

I think beginner can learn openings which are straight forward (not sth like Ruy Lopez or Indian Game or Sicilian)

QG, Danish Gambit, 4knight game, Scotch Game should be very good option for them.

Cuz beginners are very creative and often play nonsense moves. Having straightforward opening ideas allows them to not play bad moves in the first 3-5 moves at the same time obeying opening principles.

Idk why people like to say "beginners should not learn openings until 1500" I doubt that those people themselves learn openings before 1500. Seriously? How much time beginner has to spend remembering 1.5 moves 1.d4 d5 2.c4? 3 seconds? 

No players in chess.com doesn't learn any opening and still be able to reach 1500

catmaster0
PrimalDual wrote:

There seems to be a common thread of advice throughout the chess world that beginners shouldn't learn openings until 1500 or so, and spend more time on analytical ability.  I think this is terrible advice and I want to address it so some of the higher level players stop giving this advice and beginners aren't left defenseless.

 

Beginners don't have a great deal of analytical ability.  This makes them very susceptible to opening traps.  The opening requires some of the most analytical ability because the usually taught tactics aren't really there, there are virtually no puzzles that help one think about good moves in this situation, and there are way more combinations of subtle moves that might have to be considered. (That's why opening theory exists in the first place)  People with weak analytical ability shouldn't be forced to wing it on the most analytical part of the game.  In my opinion this is not well remedied by studying opening principles, as one size fit all rules are difficult to flexibly use and still result in losing good position in the first 10 moves against traps.  Without analytical ability to use said principles they're useless.  On the flip side, the beginner who does learn opening traps and plays against others who don't will get a free pass on a bunch of games.

 

TL,DR beginners should learn the first five moves of a bunch of openings, and ignore all the higher rating players who tell them to avoid openings.

No offense, but this does not seem to be working very well for you. What are beginner players reliably going to keep shooting out that require any serious opening prep to survive? Many such traps are just basic tactics, and getting some kind of positional lead out of the opening can easily fade away as the game goes on and neither player knows exactly what the position needs. At best, what? Every now and then someone steals a game? You can see where things went south and make a note to not make that mistake again. With time if there was any opening trap commonly coming out, you will solve it with experience. 

RussBell

Chess Openings Resources for Beginners and Beyond...

https://www.chess.com/blog/RussBell/openings-resources-for-beginners-and-beyond

https://www.chess.com/blog/RussBell

Moonwarrior_1
25GSchatz22 wrote:

Who said openings weren't allowed for <1500 players? People just said to learn fewer than 3 openings. Learning too many bogs you down.

Exactly and opening principles which prevent 99% of traps

eric0022
PrimalDual wrote:

There seems to be a common thread of advice throughout the chess world that beginners shouldn't learn openings until 1500 or so, and spend more time on analytical ability.  I think this is terrible advice and I want to address it so some of the higher level players stop giving this advice and beginners aren't left defenseless.

 

Beginners don't have a great deal of analytical ability.  This makes them very susceptible to opening traps.  The opening requires some of the most analytical ability because the usually taught tactics aren't really there, there are virtually no puzzles that help one think about good moves in this situation, and there are way more combinations of subtle moves that might have to be considered. (That's why opening theory exists in the first place)  People with weak analytical ability shouldn't be forced to wing it on the most analytical part of the game.  In my opinion this is not well remedied by studying opening principles, as one size fit all rules are difficult to flexibly use and still result in losing good position in the first 10 moves against traps.  Without analytical ability to use said principles they're useless.  On the flip side, the beginner who does learn opening traps and plays against others who don't will get a free pass on a bunch of games.

 

TL,DR beginners should learn the first five moves of a bunch of openings, and ignore all the higher rating players who tell them to avoid openings.

 

One can successfully swindle an opponent out of the opening and yet still lose the game due to inferior middlegame play.

 

Rather, it's not really that openings should not be studied at the lower level; they should to a degree, but players at higher rating points usually advise lower rated players to focus on middlegame techniques and endgame techniques more since these are usually the more crucial parts in a game and many games at a decent 1000-1500 rating category are decided by blunders.

eric0022
FutureGM_Casper wrote:

I kinda agree with you.

I think beginner can learn openings which are straight forward (not sth like Ruy Lopez or Indian Game or Sicilian)

QG, Danish Gambit, 4knight game, Scotch Game should be very good option for them.

Cuz beginners are very creative and often play nonsense moves. Having straightforward opening ideas allows them to not play bad moves in the first 3-5 moves at the same time obeying opening principles.

Idk why people like to say "beginners should not learn openings until 1500" I doubt that those people themselves learn openings before 1500. Seriously? How much time beginner has to spend remembering 1.5 moves 1.d4 d5 2.c4? 3 seconds? 

No players in chess.com doesn't learn any opening and still be able to reach 1500

 

I only learned to avoid the Scholar's checkmate and the Fools' mate.

 

I do not exactly study other openings at all, even if the openings which I play happen to be the same as book play.

llama47
PrimalDual wrote:

beginners should learn the first five moves of a bunch of openings, and ignore all the higher rating players who tell them to avoid openings.

I have what some consider a high rating.

But I agree happy.png

llama47

The common advice of "ignore the opening" is often good because the majority of beginners place too much emphasis on the openings, thinking they're the most important. (Openings are not the most important.)

But as in all things, somewhere in the middle is usually best. Obsessing over openings is bad, and also ignoring openings is bad. Memorizing ~5 moves in the main lines you play is very reasonable, and I also recommend it.

llama47
marqumax wrote:

Why would you learn openings as a beginner lol

Why would you fake games, post engine lines, and pretend you played them?

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-analysis/immortal-game-where-i-sacrificed-my-heavy-pieces-9-times-on-empty-squares-or-vs-pawns

But I can tell from your profile pic you're young, so it's understandable you'll make mistakes like this.

FutureGM_Casper
eric0022 wrote:
FutureGM_Casper wrote:

I kinda agree with you.

I think beginner can learn openings which are straight forward (not sth like Ruy Lopez or Indian Game or Sicilian)

QG, Danish Gambit, 4knight game, Scotch Game should be very good option for them.

Cuz beginners are very creative and often play nonsense moves. Having straightforward opening ideas allows them to not play bad moves in the first 3-5 moves at the same time obeying opening principles.

Idk why people like to say "beginners should not learn openings until 1500" I doubt that those people themselves learn openings before 1500. Seriously? How much time beginner has to spend remembering 1.5 moves 1.d4 d5 2.c4? 3 seconds? 

No players in chess.com doesn't learn any opening and still be able to reach 1500

 

I only learned to avoid the Scholar's checkmate and the Fools' mate.

 

I do not exactly study other openings at all, even if the openings which I play happen to be the same as book play.

well, then you're a genius. But for me openings isn't something that I study to remember move by move, is to understand the idea of those positions and to apply the ideas into different positions that I may get from another opening. 

FutureGM_Casper
FutureGM_Casper wrote:
eric0022 wrote:
FutureGM_Casper wrote:

I kinda agree with you.

I think beginner can learn openings which are straight forward (not sth like Ruy Lopez or Indian Game or Sicilian)

QG, Danish Gambit, 4knight game, Scotch Game should be very good option for them.

Cuz beginners are very creative and often play nonsense moves. Having straightforward opening ideas allows them to not play bad moves in the first 3-5 moves at the same time obeying opening principles.

Idk why people like to say "beginners should not learn openings until 1500" I doubt that those people themselves learn openings before 1500. Seriously? How much time beginner has to spend remembering 1.5 moves 1.d4 d5 2.c4? 3 seconds? 

No players in chess.com doesn't learn any opening and still be able to reach 1500

 

I only learned to avoid the Scholar's checkmate and the Fools' mate.

 

I do not exactly study other openings at all, even if the openings which I play happen to be the same as book play.

well, then you're a genius. But for me openings isn't something that I study to remember move by move, is to understand the idea of those positions and to apply the ideas into different positions that I may get from another opening. 

I think beginners should study openings but not crazily look into the deep theory. studying simple openings like QG will give them very simple strategy to start the game. Is actually similar to what you said (learn to avoid scholar's mate), its just to avoid losing or nonsense move on the first few moves, then according to their opponent's response the development of their pieces can be forcing and sensible.