Best Counter defence for queen's pawn opening

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ArunS_VBS

What is the best play for the queen's pawn opening

I always struggle with d4 . Can you suggest a opening for a calm game

 

ArunS_VBS

Thanks

 

NikkiLikeChikki
There is no best.

d5 is the most common. Nf3 gives you the most flexibility. You have to see what white plays next. If they play c4 (Queen’s Gambit) you’ll respond differently than if they play Bf4 or Nf3 (likely the London).

Or you could play c4 (Benoni) or f5 (Dutch), but these have a lot of theory and can get complicated.

But none are best, to be honest.
poucin

Something calm? Queen's gambit declined is for you.

1.d4 d5 then e6, Nf6, Be7, 0-0, Nbd7, b6, Bb7, and maybe c5...

This can be played against english, 1.Nf3 and almost all systems where white doesn't play 1.e4.

Very solid and easy to play.

Dsmith42

A 1.d4 player is usually looking for calm play, so it's usually best not to give him that.  I struggled for years against the Queen's Pawn opening until I took the time to really wrap my mind around hypermodern concepts.

Nf6 is a better reply than d5, but I have found that e6 is better still.  After 1. d5 e6 white has to commit to a plan with either c4 or e4 (in the latter case you can simply transpose to a French Defense), and in either case, it is black, not white, how gets to decide how to fight back in the center.  You get the big center target you want as black (at least as the hypermodern school would want it), and plenty of ways to apply piece pressure to it white preparing the right counter-thrust.

In my experience, the right counter-thrust is usually d5, but this thrust has to be prepared first before it can be effective.  Of course, this requires active play, so it's not for the timid, but most d4 players (at least at the amateur level) are timid themselves, and I've had no problems with them at all since I switched to the reply e6.

I know it's tempting to go for calm play, but if you really want to improve, it's best to embrace active play as soon as possible.

ChampoftheBepoCamp

Dutch defense, I have been playing f4 and f5 openings over the past week, +150 points rapid breaking into 1200s. 

iballisticsquid123

I like Nf6 because you're not commiting your pawn to d5 weakening key squares like e5. Also, it's very flexible against 2. Bf4 or c4 e6 transposing into the slav.

poucin

Hey guys, do u figure out that ArunS_VBS plays at about beginner's level?

And u advocate dutch, indian defences, french??

Do u think he could play these defences?

Really puzzling!

NilsIngemar

Neither he nor his opponents will know how to play either side of the board, so everything is equal.

ChampoftheBepoCamp

Hey i am beginner too, look at my ratings; dutch had been decent for me

poucin

what is decent for u doesn't mean decent for others.

Moreover, i am sure u could score better playing other openings than dutch. At your level, anyway we don't win thx to openings.

JackRoach

Sadly, usually white can reach the positions they want. Nf6 is good for unbalanced positions, and d4 is a very good defense. Half the time they play the boring London System though...

ChampoftheBepoCamp
poucin wrote:

what is decent for u doesn't mean decent for others.

Moreover, i am sure u could score better playing other openings than dutch. At your level, anyway we don't win thx to openings.

The patzer sicilian and dutch is my choice as black, I don't memorize the theory stuff with sicilian just the jist of the positions, and for f pawn setups I just do leningrad with no memory; it had been working decently and I have gotten 7 and 9 match win streaks with my c4 f4/5 openings and got over 160 points in a week; yea I figured my way around the positions a bit like pushing the a or h pawns for a any horsies that may come for a ride and cornering the king for any check shenanigans.

ArunS_VBS

Ok thanks guys I will try it out 

 

ArunS_VBS
Dsmith42 wrote:

A 1.d4 player is usually looking for calm play, so it's usually best not to give him that.  I struggled for years against the Queen's Pawn opening until I took the time to really wrap my mind around hypermodern concepts.

Nf6 is a better reply than d5, but I have found that e6 is better still.  After 1. d5 e6 white has to commit to a plan with either c4 or e4 (in the latter case you can simply transpose to a French Defense), and in either case, it is black, not white, how gets to decide how to fight back in the center.  You get the big center target you want as black (at least as the hypermodern school would want it), and plenty of ways to apply piece pressure to it white preparing the right counter-thrust.

In my experience, the right counter-thrust is usually d5, but this thrust has to be prepared first before it can be effective.  Of course, this requires active play, so it's not for the timid, but most d4 players (at least at the amateur level) are timid themselves, and I've had no problems with them at all since I switched to the reply e6.

I know it's tempting to go for calm play, but if you really want to improve, it's best to embrace active play as soon as possible.

I will try out active play too thanks for the advice

 

NikkiLikeChikki
@jackroach I play the London a lot, but I don’t want to. I play d4 praying for Nf6 so I can play the Trompowsky, but more often than not they play d5. I don’t much care for the QG or any other quiet d5, and I haven’t had much luck with the pseudo-Trompowsky (Levitsky Attack)🤷‍♀️
XOsportyspiceXO

albin counter gambit lasker trap agaisnt queens gambit

LeventK11111111

I think it's the Westphalia variation, but I don't think your opponent will allow it.

(Note: For our level)

ArunS_VBS

yeah ,if we are trying to play a variation the opponent is playing moves not even close to the variationhappy.png

 

Dsmith42

@poucin - I understand where you're coming from, sharper openings do require higher skill to master.  However, I have never felt that avoiding the more difficult aspects of the game serves a player's interests in the long term.  In my own case, that attitude cost me 15 years of progress.

It's important never to get too comfortable as a player, that's how you stop learning and improving.