I prefer 2...Ke7
Best Defence after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3?
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LavaRook wrote:
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I prefer 2...Ke7
How about 2...Qg5!! or Qh4!!
Oh and I forgot to mention the Latvian Gambit response
I believe the petroff is pretty good, as is nc6. The other ones aren't that good in my opinion.
2...Qe7 is interesting and it's also known as Brazilian Defence...
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3?? is a series error by white. You lose a tempo in the endgame. Better is 2.Ke2! with the Bongcloud System. Please see my opening book for details.
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3?? Ke7!! and black is winning the endgame.
Conquistador wrote:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3?? is a series error by white. You lose a tempo in the endgame. Better is 2.Ke2! with the Bongcloud System. Please see my opening book for details.
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3?? Ke7!! and black is winning the endgame.
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PardalsemCasa wrote:
2...Qe7 is interesting and it's also known as Brazilian Defence...
Blocks the KB.
d4e4 wrote:
PardalsemCasa wrote:
2...Qe7 is interesting and it's also known as Brazilian Defence...
Blocks the KB.
It starts a system where black plans to get the KID setup for its side...
After 2...Qg7, black moves Nf6, g6, Bg7, d6 and O-O in any order...
At the end black would have the setup seen in the diagram below...
White's position can vary...
AnthonyCG wrote:
2...Qe7 is incorrect as now the king cannot get to the other side.
May be... But why would king want to get to the other side?
AnthonyCG wrote:
PardalsemCasa wrote:
AnthonyCG wrote:
2...Qe7 is incorrect as now the king cannot get to the other side.
May be... But why would king want to get to the other side?
Cuz there's pancakes over there. Duh.
Great...
Jun 17, 2011
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You'll have to figure out for yourself what the "best defense" is for YOU. You can start by discarding the openings that don't work for you at all and start concentrating on the ones that work for you the most.
If you seriously need anyone else to tell you why 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 (or Nf6) is better than 2...Qf6, 2...f5 (Latvian Counter-Gambit) or 2...Be6 then it's back to chess school for you my friend, start reading one or more of these textbooks:
Common Sense in Chess by Dr Lasker
Chess Fundamentals, My Chess Career & Last Lectures by J R Capablanca
My System by Nimzovitch
Logical Chess Move By Move and The Most Instructive Chess Games Ever Played by Irving Chernev
PS: Philidor's Defense is probably "OK" in live chess IF you know what you're doing and even the Latvian Counter-Gambit is OK in live chess (it gets better the shorter the TL) again IF you have a clue as to how to play it!
PardalsemCasa wrote:
d4e4 wrote:
PardalsemCasa wrote:
2...Qe7 is interesting and it's also known as Brazilian Defence...
Blocks the KB.
It starts a system where black plans to get the KID setup for its side...
After 2...Qg7, black moves Nf6, g6, Bg7, d6 and O-O in any order...
At the end black would have the setup seen in the diagram below...
White's position can vary...
2...Qe7
As I said, it blocks the KB. Yes, I figured you might do a fianchetto and then a castle on Q side. However, I would prefer to do those things first. Besides, after you've done these things, the Q is blocked in.
Just because you are from Brazil and this is called the Brazil Defense, I wouldn't get overly excited about it.
d4e4 wrote:
PardalsemCasa wrote:
d4e4 wrote:
PardalsemCasa wrote:
2...Qe7 is interesting and it's also known as Brazilian Defence...
Blocks the KB.
It starts a system where black plans to get the KID setup for its side...
After 2...Qg7, black moves Nf6, g6, Bg7, d6 and O-O in any order...
At the end black would have the setup seen in the diagram below...
White's position can vary...
2...Qe7
As I said, it blocks the KB. Yes, I figured you might do a fianchetto and then a castle on Q side. However, I would prefer to do those things first. Besides, after you've done these things, the Q is blocked in.
Just because you are from Brazil and this is called the Brazil Defense, I wouldn't get overly excited about it.
The question of the person who opened this topic is: "Is there any other good ways to defend the e-pawn than only 2..Nc6? Of course, I know and like 2...Nc6 as the best move, but what other good defence there are?"
I was just answering this question. And yes, 2...Qe7 protects the e-pawn.
You said it blocks the king's bishop, and yes you're right. Did I say you was not?
Nevertheless, I decided to show a way black can get its blocked king's bishop in the game, a system called Brazilian Defence, and yes it's playable.
It was designed by Helder Câmara, a former chess Brazilian champion, who was thought to be unbeatable playing the King's Indian Defense, KID, so his opponents started to avoid it playing 1.e4, and Câmara find a way to play the KID after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3. And yes he was successful playing 2...Qe7.
And I'm not overly excited. I don't like the King's Indian Defense as black. I luv to play it as white, but not as black. And I don't like to play 1...e5 after 1.e4, I prefer to play the French game, 1...e6.
Anyway, thank you very much for your concearn.
Nc6 and Nf6 are the 2 best moves and d6 is really the only other playable one (although if you wanted a Philidor 1...d6 would be a better move order). Gabage like the Latvian, Elephant, etc. may be tricky but it just doesn't check out with good players in long TCs
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:
FizzyBand wrote:
Nc6 and Nf6 are the 2 best moves and d6 is really the only other playable one (although if you wanted a Philidor 1...d6 would be a better move order). Gabage like the Latvian, Elephant, etc. may be tricky but it just doesn't check out with good players in long TCs
What are you on about? 1. ...d6 is a Pirc and the normal move is g6 or Nf6 after that.
No other move scores good for black. e5 has 16% for black, and Nd7 has 20%. Meanwhile the actual Pirc scores 25% (and has a better draw rate as well).
I wish people would stop saying things as if they're fact or well-established when it's only your PERSONAL preference that you like. Nobody else likes that or does that and if they do you should explain it better, not just expect people to trust you countering hundreds of years of theory.
It's not personal preference..
FizzyBand wrote:
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:
FizzyBand wrote:
Nc6 and Nf6 are the 2 best moves and d6 is really the only other playable one (although if you wanted a Philidor 1...d6 would be a better move order). Gabage like the Latvian, Elephant, etc. may be tricky but it just doesn't check out with good players in long TCs
What are you on about? 1. ...d6 is a Pirc and the normal move is g6 or Nf6 after that.
No other move scores good for black. e5 has 16% for black, and Nd7 has 20%. Meanwhile the actual Pirc scores 25% (and has a better draw rate as well).
I wish people would stop saying things as if they're fact or well-established when it's only your PERSONAL preference that you like. Nobody else likes that or does that and if they do you should explain it better, not just expect people to trust you countering hundreds of years of theory.
It's not personal preference..
Alright thanks. I couldn't find that on lichess as I disregarded Nf6 as leading to g6. I knew there was something about the Philidor like that but I couldn't find it. A slight nudge would have made it more clear. I mean you said d6 with no explanation is what I was complaining about, again thanks for the explanation.
Jan 7, 2021
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Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:
FizzyBand wrote:
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:
Uhohspaghettio1 wrote:
FizzyBand wrote:
Nc6 and Nf6 are the 2 best moves and d6 is really the only other playable one (although if you wanted a Philidor 1...d6 would be a better move order). Gabage like the Latvian, Elephant, etc. may be tricky but it just doesn't check out with good players in long TCs
What are you on about? 1. ...d6 is a Pirc and the normal move is g6 or Nf6 after that.
No other move scores good for black. e5 has 16% for black, and Nd7 has 20%. Meanwhile the actual Pirc scores 25% (and has a better draw rate as well).
I wish people would stop saying things as if they're fact or well-established when it's only your PERSONAL preference that you like. Nobody else likes that or does that and if they do you should explain it better, not just expect people to trust you countering hundreds of years of theory.
It's not personal preference..
Alright thanks. I couldn't find that on lichess as I disregarded Nf6 as leading to g6. I knew there was something about the Philidor like that but I couldn't find it. A slight nudge would have made it more clear. I mean you said d6 with no explanation is what I was complaining about, again thanks for the explanation.
Watch the word lichess get censored
2...Nc6 was known to be the most popular, and probably the best too. Is there any other good ways to defend the e-pawn than only 2..Nc6? Of course, I know and like 2...Nc6 as the best move, but what other good defence there are?
Petroff's Defence?
Philidor's Defence?
and of course these off course ones.
So which one do you prefer out of all these possible continuations after 1. e4 e5 2.Nf3?