Best defences against the fried liver attack

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13yearold

You all know how it goes, and how annoying it is but how is the best way to stop it and gain a good postion?

 

Please show board examples, as well as the name of the defence, gambit, etc.

 

Txns, Im an amature and I would like to learn more.Laughing

konhidras

ripe tomatoes?...

King_of_pawns

I guess this is the fried liver move you're speaking of. Not sure of the name of defense.

Conquistador

Once again to clear up the nomenclature.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 is the Italian game

3...Nf6 is the Two Knights Defence

4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5?! 6.Nxf7!? is the Fried Liver Attack

6.d4! is the Lolli Attack

If you want to avoid the attack, avoid playing the inferior defence of 5...Nxd5, and instead continue 5...Na5 in the Polerio Variation.  It is objectively equal and allows for dynamic play.  There is no sense in going down an inferior line (and an otb nightmare I may add) just to prove a point.

@King_of_pawns - That is actually a variation of the Philidor reached via 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bc4 h6.  White is better off not playing 3.Bc4 and just going with 3.d4 which should result in a very good position as white.

condude2

The Traxler Counterattack, a hyper-aggressive opening. Of course, there is much more to know and it doesn't always win.

Conquistador

Theory has shown that white can achieve a clear advantage against the Ulvested Variation.  Quite frankly, the only way to play now (for the win) is the Polerio.

Conquistador

Lol yeah I practically live in these variations so it becomes second nature.

The Ulvested is the line you posted (5...b5).  The Polerio is 5...Na5.

taffy76
Conquistador

I am really good at remember facts, especially opening names lol.  Sometimes the names I remember though can become outdated since I read about them in old books, but find out later that their name has changed due to someone else contributing to the opening.  

naturalproduct
BorgQueen wrote:

I'm ok at remembering lines, but the names of variations almost always elude me.

Nice hat....lol.

zborg

Here are 4 -- Sicilian, French, Caro Kann, Petroff.

Lot's more are available.  All you need do is decline to play 1)...e5.

Simple.  Smile 

condude2

@coneheadzombie Is that an example of a Traxler win? I would prefer to be in black's shoes there.

blasterdragon
coneheadzombie wrote:
 

??? this topic is about the fried liver

condude2

The Traxler is a very good defense to the fried liver.

Conquistador

Once again, 4.Ng5 is not the Fried Liver Attack.  I do not want a favorite move of mine to be sullied by the dubious reputation of the Fried Liver Attack.

Conquistador

That is the Berliner Variation (also considered dubious) from what I remember.  But there is no reason to ever enter the variation when white has the clearly better 8.cxd4 in the main line.  Also 8.Ne4 Ne6 is much better when black has at least an equal position.

zborg
BorgQueen wrote:

zborg, that's 5 ya n00b!  lol

More like 50 opening systems are available.  What of it?

The Fried Liver is an opening for grab-ass children, and their one-line retorts, as you so amply demonstrate, @QueenBeeSmile

blake78613
BorgQueen wrote:

zborg, that's 5 ya n00b!  lol

Only 4, if you only  count the ones that avoid 1...e5.

A_State_of_Trance

Don't play 2 knights defense. Play 3...Bc5. No more Fried Liver. Game over.

WeLearnChess

I used to play the Traxler, but I found that when white doesn't go for the knight fork with Kf7 (as in coneheadzombie's example) or when white does play the fork and black responds with Bxf2+, if white doesn't take the bishop, it's pretty hard to win as black in either case, at least for me! 

I've been playing the Na5 (Polerio?) version, which seems less risky, but not only are you automatically down a pawn as black, but you have isolated a and c pawns and your knight is on the edge for at least the time being. You have good activity and open space in the short term, so I guess I just have to get better at taking advantage of that before white can get his pieces organized, because once that happens, it again becomes hard to win as black, down a pawn and with weak pawns. 

Taffy76's example is of course cool (ending with black forking the white bishop and knight), and I have had someone fall for it, but normally white retreats the bishop to e2. 

Anyone have some good suggestions for proceding as black in the Na5 line after white retreats Be2?