bought dvd on colle koltanowski by simon williams. did i get cheated or am i wrong?

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Tdrev

so i just bought simon williams dvd on the colle koltanowski which i always have thought was the colle with c3. i start up the dvd but like 2 minuts into the first video he pretty much says " dont play c3 it will give you nothing" and uses the rest of the dvd on the colle zukertort which is with b3 instead of c3. am i wrong? i have no intention to play the colle with b3

LIONSHAPEDBOX

As i understand... colle zukertort is much higher respect... colle kat is regarded as very passive, playable but... CZ is often compare to london system. Solid, reliable, a little boring.

Tdrev

yeah CZ is more respected but the point is that i bought a dvd on the koltanowski but its all about the colle zukertort. it would be like buying a book on the french defence and the first page say "oh dont play e6 thats not good" and the rest of the book sicilian

Quasimorphy

I’d be irritated.  The title of the DVD is The Colle-Koltanowski System.  It’s probably a better DVD than if it really was about the Colle-Koltanowsky System, but I’d still be irritated.

Tdrev

i did write a mail to chessbase explaining this isn what i bought a dvd on so hopefully it was an honest mistake and they refund the money. the dvd is named koltanowski, there is no picture of the position or moves listed that would tell you it isnt. in the commercial video at the site at some point it says that its the zukertort but why should i need to watch a video over 10 minuts commercial of the dvd before buying it

Tdrev

in the description it says "The Colle-Koltanowski system (playing d4, Nf3, e3, Bd3 and eventually b3) is very easy to learn" so i can see why someone would say that i shouldnt expect the the "eventually at some point b3" was a part of a 5.c3 colle but for us colle players using the words koltanowski and zukertort is exactly how we tell apart the 5.b3 and 5.c3 systems the koltanowski is 5.c3 and have always been. calling the zukertort koltanowski is a big deal

BigRedJake

Simon Williams said that Chessbase mislabeled it. They should give you your money back and change the title. 

WCPetrosian

I see it is still mislabeled at Chessbase. Why hasn't it been corrected? 

returnofthesonof
BusyNight wrote:

so i just bought simon williams dvd on the colle koltanowski which i always have thought was the colle with c3. i start up the dvd but like 2 minuts into the first video he pretty much says " dont play c3 it will give you nothing" and uses the rest of the dvd on the colle zukertort which is with b3 instead of c3. am i wrong? i have no intention to play the colle with b3

Poor Simon can't catch a break

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-news/ginger-gm-hits-the-headlines-for-5-million-pound-pensions-scam

dpnorman

I feel as if most strong players don't know the difference in the terminology, largely because spending time analyzing such harmless openings generally isn't worth the effort. If he said in the description that he intended to recommend b3 setups then that's what he's doing. 

p89trd

I watched the video where he says its not about what it says its about - but it's weird they mislabeled it, especially given that they might sell more copies is Zukertort was in the title instead. Hopefully they refunded you. 

tygxc

Edgar Colle played d4 Nf3, e3, c3, Bd3, O-O, Re1 preparing e4
Georges Koltanowsky played b3 and Bb2.