Budapest Defence(Gambit)

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redmadstake

1.d4 Nf6

2.c4 e5(!)

So starts the Budapest.Black sacrifises a pawn and if white accepts this gambit it will be difficult to win.

What do you think about this opening?

 

AlexanderAlekhineJNR
I thought and i am quite sure that 1.d4 nf6 2.c4 e5 is the budapest gambit please reply thanks for the interesting idea.C5 cannot be played by white!!
BasicLvrCH8r

1956. Budapest is rising. 1956. Budapest is fighting. 


dalmatinac

I never play Budapest.I think there many better openings for black against d4 like Alekhine's defense,Slav defense,Nimzo-Indian

This is one game from budapest defense:

 

 


Graw81

I have used the Budapest Gambit for a long time now and if it suits your type of game its definatley worth learning. It is also a good surprise weapon to play if you know your opponent has not come up against it in competition before(by searching their games on a particular database etc). If your opponent is quite comfortable playing usual queens gambit, nimzo-indian, bogo indian positions etc the budapest offers a way to take them out of their usual opening territory.

After 3.dxe5 black may play 3...Ng4, or 3...Ne4, the farajowic variation. I have played the 3...Ng4 line in competition and it works wonders. Using the budapest gambit you will sooner or later mate your opponent fairly quickly as their are alot of trap lines that the unexperienced player could fall into. Against stronger players it still doesnt lose its bite. If you like to attack this opening could be for you but only if your a good attacker. If you waste a move here and there and play passive theres no point in taking up this opening.

If anyone wants advice about this opening i will be more than happy to give help.message me.


thelastmartian

I have played this a few times and won with it. It is definately playable.

 

Fotoman
Keres played it, that's good enough for me.

KillaBeez
I think that the Budapest Defense is a great line for tacticians.  Positional players would laugh at it because black does not have a resiliant position.  It is a playable line that could destroy players who have never seen that line before.   I don't play it, but is a very interesting opening.
OOOARRR
I have just been studying the Budapest though have had little opportunity to practice it. Here is a game I have played on this site which shows some of the attacking possibilities.
Smartattack
Budapest is inferior opening.That does not mean it s necessarily bad, just there are much better to be played against d4, just Dalmatinac said.i agree with him.
Graw81
Smartattack wrote: Budapest is inferior opening.That does not mean it s necessarily bad, just there are much better to be played against d4, just Dalmatinac said.i agree with him.

 In theory that may be true but! If you choose who you play this opening against carefully it may be a better option than other openings for black. For example, if your opponent plays badly in more dynamic positions and gambit openings but plays the nimzo (etc) really well and you know both as black, you would most definatley have to consider to play the budapest against him. That is for players who play competitions and must research their opponents opening repitoire, for other players opening choice and soundness is hardly a factor that will determine the result of a game.


Smartattack
Graw81 wrote: Smartattack wrote: Budapest is inferior opening.That does not mean it s necessarily bad, just there are much better to be played against d4, just Dalmatinac said.i agree with him.

 In theory that may be true but! If you choose who you play this opening against carefully it may be a better option than other openings for black. For example, if your opponent plays badly in more dynamic positions and gambit openings but plays the nimzo (etc) really well and you know both as black, you would most definatley have to consider to play the budapest against him. That is for players who play competitions and must research their opponents opening repitoire, for other players opening choice and soundness is hardly a factor that will determine the result of a game.


Well said Graw,this can be used with surprise effect,opponent cannot have good theory preparation for Budapest.But at GM level who ever plays Budapest is going down.

 

redmadstake

I agree that Budapest is a very surprising opening in whitch black have funny game if white struggles for the won material.And it's not VERY good om GM level.

Myself i think that Fajarowicz-Budapest(with 3. - Ne4?!)is the best of all variations and play it myself too.Here is my best Budapest game:

 

Martin Orell - André Miler(redmadstake)

1.d4 Nf6

2.c4 e5

3.dxe Ne4

4.a3 d6

5.ed Bxd6

6.g3 Nxf2

7.Kxf2 Bxg3+

8.axg3 Qxd1

This game is a copy of a hystoric game Warren - Selman 1930

EEShelton
The Budapest is a line in what specific defense? Or is it a defense in itself? I'm looking for a new line to play against d4, as my KID is just not to my liking. I play the Carro-Kan against e4.
redmadstake
EEShelton wrote: The Budapest is a line in what specific defense? Or is it a defense in itself?

It's a defence itself and it was VERY popular in 1920-s.It has a kind of surprising effect but it's NOT playible against same opponent too often.It's easy to set up a solid defence if you know what will be played.If you like more positional and not risky openings that one is not for you.You can also try Nimzo or Dutch if you want to.

Graw81
EEShelton wrote: The Budapest is a line in what specific defense? Or is it a defense in itself? I'm looking for a new line to play against d4, as my KID is just not to my liking. I play the Carro-Kan against e4.

 The Budapest is an opening for black which goes like this. 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5!? So, it is a defense against the Queens Gambit, more specifically the 1.d4 2.c4 set up. Of course, it could go 1.c4 Nf6 2.d4 e5!? More Orthodox defenses for black would involve 2...e6 rather than the surprising 2...e5!?
 The only problem with the budapest gambit is that white players can avoid it by playing an early Nf3. If white does this it means you need to know another opening, like the bogo-indian for example. 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 (Budapest not possible now) e6 3.c4 Bb4+ .
 Looking at the Budapest in this sense may be a little off putting as you could just play the move order 1...Nf6 2...e6 3...Bb4 regardless if white has played an early Nf3 or played 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 leading to the Nimzo-indian. Both the Nimzo and Bogo may have similar resemblance whereas the Budapest offers a totally different type of game.
 Il leave it up to you if it suits your game Cool

Im not a GM (or anywhere near that level ha) but if Morozevic can spark life into so called dubious openings i think the Budapest has its place at GM level too. GMs have won and lost with it in the past so why not now too?!


redmadstake

You're right,Graw!Cool

 The Budapest is a nice tool in every players hands(head,arsenal etc).The leader of my chessclub is an IM and i saw some of his Budapest games.He plays the main line,having AWESOME attacks on opponents king.And you mustn't learn very much boring theory lines to play it Tongue out

jonloop

Has anyone got any ideas for black after:

1.d4 Nf6

2.c4 e5

3.Qd3 or Qd4 

I've been having a look and there are quite a few grandmasters who play this from time to time

 eg: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1068955


pinnoy
I believe the best reply for White against the Budapest is the 3. Nh3 variation.  This system plans to build a solid center with moves like Nf4, e3, Be2, Nc3, Nfd5. 
redmadstake
i can say that safer is to play Benoni or something like this Cool