caro-kann expert needed

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gimly

A friend of mine typically plays the caro against me, and i usually get trounced.  Recently, i watched an Andrew Martin dvd, and he recommends the Goldman Variation.  I've tried using this twice, and the beatings are even worse :)  I just wondered if anyone had experience in this line...note the annotations

DrawMaster

There are a number of games in our database here on this line ... not many, but a few. Black's move here is typically 5. ... dxc3, and there is an interesting game by Nigel Short in 2006 where he wins with White versus this.

There really are not many decent alternatives for Black at move 5. One might be 5. ... Nbd7!?, when the game might continue with 6.exf6 Ne5! 7.Qe2 Nxc4 8.fxg7 Bxg7 9.Qxc4 dxc3 10.dxc3 (F8), which looks roughly even (Black is a pawn down, but has the two Bs).

Any other move by Black looks weak (e.g., 5. ... e6, 5. ... Bg4, or 5. ... g6).

I really don't know this opening, but it would seem to be playable.

gimly

You mention the Short game.  I think Martin used that to show the line on the dvd i saw.  Both times i tried it i ran into1 major problem: my queen was exposed and black regained all kinds of tempo by attacking her, and in the first game, winning her outright. 

gimly

The main line, which is what i have posted does have black playing dxc3, but this all comes from Black pushing the d pawn to d4.  My issue is, black doesn't have to push the pawn.  In both of my games, my friend played f6, and i think white's best is e5, but i'm not sure where to go from there.  Having looked at both of my games, i think they're transposing into French defenses.  After my e5, my friend played c5 which i thought was bad, but i was rocked in both games so who knows.  Either way, i was never able to resolve the issue of my queen on f3.  Still, i think this can work as a way to meet the caro

gimly

sorry, my friend didn't play f6, he played e6

Krish30
evethesnake

The Caro-Kann def., the f3 lines are the blitz here, f3 variation Kasporov v  karpov 2001, an a+ 4 white, in contrast to that Nimzowitsch v Capablanca, black is the winner. my suggestion here is to find the position, paired with your opening, and have fun with variations once the 1-5 moves have been made. My suggestion try the Kings Indian in reverse.