Why do beginners always set the white pieces up as a diagram and call it an opening.
Want to see my opening?
Taking advantage of the weakest square on the chess board with FULL FORCE. A guaranteed win.Similiar to the KIA
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Great central space advantage with a safe king on the Q side. I think Kasparov actually played a variant of this against Kramnik, but he couldn't crack his defenses.
Oh no I was talking to Lasker up there. Your opening is just silly, how do you plan to checkmate the king like that huh?
wow many great opening =)
scotch mieses variation main line and theorically important endgame
Apr 13, 2010
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Dude, the opening "system' you're talking about in your OP (original post) is nothing at all like the KIA.
Apr 14, 2010
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I just can't believe that there were like 30 posts before someone (me) pointed out that the guy wasn't playing anything remotely like a KIA. Just weird. Come on peoples!
Since it's been mentioned what's not a stonewall, here's an example of what is;
ChattyChessPlayer wrote:
I swear to god if another person shows 12-17 move opening lines to a player thats been playing A WEEK I will hunt them down and slap them upside the face.
This isn't because I don't think you're capable. it's more that the benefits of learning this stuff is microscopic. It's much better practicing things like looking for hanging pieces, or double attacks, or mates in 1. What you know now should be enough - just learn opening theroy as you go. If you play a bad move, stop playing it in the future. If your opponent uses a good opening strategy - try it out.
OP don't listen to this clown. Play the closed Ruy Lopez.
RageQuit wrote:
I've been playing for just over a week (I did learn how the pieces move when I was in third grade but never really attempted to learn stragety until now) and I started to use (what I later found out is an actual opening) an opening that somewhat resembles the Kings Indian Attack. I'm wondering how I can improve on my opening without copying that system. I don't know any defenses (aside from a few names of them) so even listing defenses I could read about that would be a major threat to my opening would be helpful. I just wanna improve my opening system. I included a picture of the general opening I shoot for, but I usually take different steps to get there. So I call it a system instead of an opening, or what i've read leads me to believe that it is one. But anyway any input about how I can continue to devlop this without completely copying the KIA would be much appreciated. Thanks!
This position you propose has no certainty of occuring, unlike the KIA, because in that white starts with his pieces close to home and focuses on one easy break, e4, so it's easy to achieve. It's much harder to get two pawns in the center and have your position fully developed without fighting for it.
Hey chatty chess player, I think in the scandi white should certainly have a plan of how to continue if, for instance, black restrains the center with ...c6 and ...e6. I used to have problems with that as white.
Apr 14, 2010
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RageQuit wrote:
"I just can't believe that there were like 30 posts before someone (me) pointed out that the guy wasn't playing anything remotely like a KIA. Just weird. Come on peoples!"
It's pretty obvious it's not the KIA, it's just an odd little system that I kept trying to play out and failing pretty hard with.
On the plus side, he is now free to fully develop this without completely copying the KIA...
Nah I think i'll put it to rest until I can learn the ins and outs of the scotch opening haha.
I'll try to keep it civil but you are being a BONEHEAD. You said that you're system resembles a KIA. Not me, not anyone else but YOU. So, if it's obvious to you that it's nothing like a KIA, why the F did you bring up KIA to begin with? I agree with a poster early on who said something about wanting to strangle people have no idea what they're talking about and try to reinvent the game. Ugh... I'm outta here...
Fiveofswords, I always wondered why c4 isn't more often played. Perhaps ...Qa5+ is better? I don't think white wants to play Bd2 so much (black would reply ...Qd8 attacking d4 probably) and after Nc3, there are ways to put pressure on white's center. A rook will come to d8 (and now d4 is slightly weaker than usual, since c3 is never possible), a bishop will come to b4, and the center will still be restrained well, so maybe that's why Nc3 is preferred.
My plan against the scandi with ...e6 and ...c6 is different. I used to do a setup with Nf3, Bc4, 0-0, Re1, and do a combination of plans for f4-f5, and d5. Of course before f4 is ever played I would try to set up an outpost on e5 for a knight. The dark squares are a little weaker than in many other openings.
Of course, I don't have to worry about any of this anymore, since I only play d4 now!
RageQuit- The system 1e4 e5 2 nf3 nf6 3 d4 is called the Scotch Game if you want to try to do any further reading on it. A true King's Indian attack develops your f1 bishop to g2. "Indian" systems in general usually deploy at least one bishop to the flanks, via b2, g2, b6, or g6. Developing the bishop this way is called a finachetto. Wikipedia can give you information about basic opening lines.
For general advice, I would say don't focus too much on opening theory when you are starting out. I know it seems like a natural place to start, as all games have an opening, but as long as you keep general opening principles, like develop quickly, control the center, move the king to safety, etc, you will probably be ok in low level play. You will get alot more help from tactics practice (chess tempo.com is a great site for free, chess.com has some for free tools as well, like their daily puzzle and some limited access to the tactics trainer) and some basics of middle game play than trying to memorize alot of opening lines. Its better for a beginner to know a few line and really understand what the goals of those openings are, rather than to memorize alot of lines without understanding. Sooner or later your opponent will go outside of your preparation, either because they don't know the system you are playing and they play a weak move, or they have prepared a response that you are not ready for, and you have to think on your feet.
RageQuit wrote:
"The system 1e4 e5 2 nf3 nf6 3 d4 is called the Scotch Game if you want to try to do any further reading on it."
Thanks man but I already said i'm studying the scotch now.
"A true King's Indian attack develops your f1 bishop to g2. "Indian" systems in general usually deploy at least one bishop to the flanks, via b2, g2, b6, or g6."
Yea I really like that about it. It's for sure an opening I want to study haha.
"Sooner or later your opponent will go outside of your preparation, either because they don't know the system you are playing and they play a weak move, or they have prepared a response that you are not ready for, and you have to think on your feet."
Yea i'm not learning openings to memorize lines of play. I don't memorize past the first 4-5 moves generally speaking. I always play the middlegame thinking on my feet. Openings are nothing more than a way to develop my pieces in an efficient position. Just memorizing the moves would take all of the fun out of the game for me. Sure I do play out grandmaster games and study the moves, but i'm not trying to memorize the games. I just like to see if I can see what they see. I decide what move I would make then see what move they actually made.
Everyone seems to think I am trying to just memorise the game, but i'm more interested in creative chess than anything else.
Actually thats NOT the Scotch ! Thats the steinitz attack of the petroff defense. 
Fiveofswords wrote:
elubas, i dont know why c4 isnt played more really, But it is sometimes. My results are fine with it. The main test of d4 insteasd of Nc3 is the response e5, but white gets a good game there according to my studies (but not usually by playing c4, need to be flexible to play 3.d4, thats its point, really). I guess in general you wind up with a d4ish looking game rather than e4, so many e4 players are maybe uncomfortable with that. Its fine and good way to play for advantage I think. Qa5+ is nothing really, you jsut can play Nc3. Black can put pressure on white center sortof, yes, but in general its not quite enough...and even it it were then whites devleopment is so great that even if black wins a center pawn he may soon regret thusly opening the position...
I guess baronspam mistyped or something, probably meant Nc6 rather than Nf6, yes with Nf6 its not the scotch.
I think people can start out learning however they want. Learning openings probably isnt bad for him, it could help his intuition a lot just to see what good moves tend to look like.
Yeah I wish we could get a strong player's (IM, GM) opinion of it. I would be suprised if Nc3 was always played solely because it's a litte more natural? But who knows?
tonydal wrote:
Elubas wrote:
Yeah I wish we could get a strong player's (IM, GM) opinion of it.
Hm...shouldn't there have been an adverb thrown in there? ("really" "truly" "tremendously" etc).
Perhaps, but it's not unheard of to refer to GMs and IMs when you say "strong players" as opposed to other levels.
Apr 17, 2010
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RageQuit wrote:
I figure I should ask this here as well, what is a good opening book with openings like the KIA and the scotch explained throughly in it? I looked at the MCO-15 and a few others but they just did not feel anything more than a general overview and I wanted a more through explination of the openings. Thanks.
I call "troll alert" on you ragequit. You've stopped making sense a long time ago. Point: if you think MCO15 (or any edition of mco for that matter) is "general" you are not well in the head. MCO is the OPPOSITE of general. It is very, very specific, delving into endless variations. You should stopping posting and shut up and start playing.
Please don't feed the troll.
Please don't feed the troll.
It looks great, sure, but its not going to be that simple in-game. After all that time, black is surely going to have something going. White controls the center with much force, but a reasonably opponent won't let it happen.
Unfortunately for players like this at this level, much of opening theory study seems like memorization for us. Many hours of practice are necessary.