Computer generated openings...

Question:

I have recently become interested in in playing the Bird Invitation against the Spanish (3 ... Nd4)

There are some moves that my books give ? or ?! for black, but when I let different engines play against each other, they actually score quite well, finding many novelties that have never been played, as far as I can tell.

It's all very complicted, and include weird maneuvers like ...f6 and Kf7, with many possible tries by White and critical responses by Black.

Now, may I include these computer generated lines in my database, or is that cheating?

Go Ahead........I think

I don't really understand what u mean by cheating though

Well, can this be seen as computer assistance?

The cheating detection only excludes the moves in games which are found in a large database consisting of human vs human games. So although engine databases are not exactly cheating, they're not allowed, and certainly will raise your match-up rate with engines.

Thanx for the replies..

First of, I'm not trying to play like a computer, I would like to test some interesting variations the computer came up with. It's the type of thing I do, and a big part of my enjoyment of chess.

Secondly, about the cheating part. I wasn't asking about getting caught, I ws asking if it would be considered cheating. If the consensus is that it is cheating but that I could get away with it, I still won't do it.

Sure you wont.

But you still do use an opening database to pick moves for games? That's also outside assistance. Correct me if I misunderstood.

There are computer-generated lines in many openings these days, and you don't always even know that they are because you will find them in a book or see them in human games. So no, I don't think it is cheating as long as you have done the analysis ahead of the game.

Poidokoff, good morning, the use of opening databases is allowed in turn-based.

well stated on both counts.

Good morning to you aswell. Thank you for correcting my misconceptions.

may be...

If you don't allow it, where does it stop?

I am sure there are plenty of us who analyse some lines in their pet openings with an engine (I certainly do), which in turn leads me to having more "book" than anyone else in certain lines.

Do people actually use references like these as they play? I never use references during a game. This might explain why my rating has never broken 1600.

I doubt that any strong engine today would miss a mate in 6 or 7 or 8 moves when given time to analyze. But it is true that engine evaluations of opening lines are often weird, but this is for other reasons such as not giving enough weight to initiative or positional factors.