dealing with the danish/goring gambit

Recently I've been facing the danish gambit and the goring gambit. I know how to defend against the danish gambit but how do you deal with the goring gambit? Also, how do you deal with the scotchs game? Thanks in advance

Timeless

Make sure that you try and play d5 in 1 go rather than d6-d5 because the d5 break is probably the black's most important defensive resource in blocking off f7 and opening up the d-file. Quite often playing d5 even as a pawn sacrifice is a very good idea.

Thanks how do you deal with the half danish or the goring gambit

I like the lines with an immediate d5, for example:

What if white captures the D pawn with his queen on move 4?

The following sequence of moves have been long known to take all the fun out of the white side:

ogerboy that's true against the danish but if white plays the goring 4.Nxc3 you don't really have a resource like that for Black and it's White who has all the fun imo

timeless, in in that line if White plays Qxd4 Black can play dxe4. If White takes the queen he's down a pawn, while if he takes the pawn his queen is vulnerable to attack.

i'm curious if anyone has the book Danish Dynamite

Thanks jon also do you know how to play against the goring gambit?

I just play d5 after c3

An interesting thread. I like the first illustration of play against the c3 pawn. I seem to recall the position being reached in with colours reversed in  a Tarrasch French ? or is it something else ?

I was black in a good game against the second illustration against the full Danish that reached the second postion. I lost the game and my opponent demonstrated the value of his central pawn ,opposite coloured bishop and kingside pawn  majority that as it advanced ALSO kept black's king from centralising.

On another point. I've wondered whether white can be devious in introducing the Scotch viz 1e4 e5 2 d4 ed 3 Nf3   Black could then transpose with Nc6, transpose into a Petroff variation with Nf6 or try holding on to the pawn with 3...c5 Any thoughts folks ? :-)

only time I ever saw it OTB I played the early d5 break and won. it took all the sting out and left white with an awkward setup. he never tried it on me again

 I think the c5 move would hurt blacks pawn stucture and he would lose a tempo or two. I will have to get back to you tomorrow on this and your other diagram. My comments on the second game was very interesting and I think that varition of the danish black is a little bit better. I will post my thoughts tomorrow

Timeless

If I remember correctly the Danish Gambit was refuted.  Black could hold the two pawn advantage into the endgame after defending a fierce attack.

Yes, I heard that as well. Also conquiscador I heard the Grunfield was also refuted is this true?

No I seriously doubt the grunfield will ever be refuted.  The opening is way too complex so black will always have a possibility somewhere.  Anyways, many GMs play it so the likelihood of the Grunfield being refuted is negligable.

This may be true, but if whites middle can hold strong, white will be able to have a advangate thoughout the entire game

Timeless

Most e pawn gambits are dealt with by a quick d5.

The Benko Gambit is still played at top level and is very effective.

I am a d4 player and I am always pleased to get a Grunfeld, I think it is probably one of the least reliable of Blacks defences against d4. Just my view  

I've had a little look a this. Haven't used the computer. I think black is a t least OK.  Eg 1e4 e5 2d4 de 3 Nf3 c5 4 c3 (what else ?) Nc6 5 cd dc 6 Nxd4 Bb4 + 7 Nc3 Qa5

(White could have played 7 Bd2, but I believe a series of exchanges will straighten out black's pawns with a majority on the q side)

8 Ne2 Nf6 9 Bd2 Ne5 (threatening a nice smothered mate) 10 Qc2 Nc4  :-)

Is interesting :-)

I love playing against the grunfeld, but its hard to com out with a win