Dutch Defence - Stonewall Variation

I am wondering if any one has ever heard of the Dutch Defence - Stonewall Variation. If so could you tell me how it worked for you? I would like to add this to my game plan, and would like to know if it is used by any of you guys.

It's not a bad opening. I've used it a few times in the past. It can be vulnerable, and can also evolve into closed, positional play. I play the Benoni against 1. d4 at the moment.

The Dutch Stonewall is a pretty solid defense against d4 and was used by many Grandmasters occassionally such as Fischer, Kasparov, and Alekhine. Heres the typical opening for the stonewall: (1) d4,f5 (2) c4,Nf6 (3) Nc3, e6 (4) g3, d5 (5) Bg2, c6 (6) Nf3, Nbd7 (7) O-O, Bd6 (8) b3, O-O. However, when white Brings the Bishop to g5 (If he does) unpin the knight by placing the Dark squarred Bishop on e6.

I heard of it... in the other thread that was opened just yesterday, and is still at the top of the forum!  Seriously, does no one even look at the other threads before they post?

Its good in the hands of a strategic player but IMO its alright. Personally I dont use it as it can lead to a lot of passive, positional play, which doesnt interest me that much (similar to Q pawn openings for white).

But can't black just play 6. ...g7 ?

I play it, and really like it. It is a simple, solid setup with a clear plan. Once you've played it a few times, you get the hang of the strategic needs.

I think it is a pretty good opening for beginners, like myself.

Hardly. After 7. h4 it's about equal. 7. Nc3 is probably better.

No, black isn't lost, and Nxh7 Rxh7 Bxg6+ is just answered by Rf7 with white giving up two minor pieces for a pawn and an inactive rook and chances for both sides.

White does get a slight edge with 7... d5 8. h5 Bg4! 9. f3 Bxh5 10. g4 Qd6 11. gxh5 Bh6 12. Qd2 Qg3+ += where black gets three pawns for his bishop sac and still an interesting game ahead of him.

So, what did I miss here?

I clearly avoided that line by not playing 8... gxh5 because Bg4! is far better.

And in the second diagram after 9. g4, black can play d5 then 10. g5 is answered by Ng4 and White has the option to play f4, Qf3 or Bxf7+ all of which are about equal.

EDIT: Sorry, 10...Bg4 (which Rybka seems to feel is dead equal) is probably better than Ng4 (which gives white a slight edge), but neither of them lead to a winning advantage for white like you claim.

Are you even reading anything that I'm writing 446919? 8... gxh5 is NOT the correct move for black. I have already pointed that out twice. And even still 9. Nxh7? is quite clearly a mistake. Rxh7 and Bg7 are both better, but that doesn't matter because if black played correctly, he would have played Bg4! on move 8.

If you're just going to ignore what I write entirely, I'll just stop this debate right now because there is no point.

If you had read my posts, and just as I suspected you hadn't, you would have already had your answer.

lol. but you said white was winning. And white gets an edge in every stonewall position.

An edge can easily be a draw with correct play from both sides. White does not have a winning advantage in any position you have displayed, so the correct thing to do is admit you were wrong and learn from it. No hard feelings.

Please no fighting .. lol

Yep

nerd rage!

fight at chess.com is like the special olimpics, even if you win your both still retarded lol

lol no just sayin its retarded

 Most people don't categorize argument over chess moves as "retarded". Nerdy, sure, but retarded? Hardly. I don't see why you should be opposed to active debate, either. Debate is one of the best ways to obtain new knowledge and point of view.