e4,e5,d4,d5!?


I assume 3 de de 4 Qxd8+ Kxd8 5 Nc3 is reasonable.
That is how I have been playing against it...

Funny stuff I examined this variation with a friend when starting out playing chess seriously (chess is somewhat similar to going in circles all the time)
I think we found some nice variations giving white a decent advantage but nothing more (maybe with the comprehension of a ~1400 :p)
Let me dig it up in my memory
You're exploring the right paths my young friend! In another ten years you'll be tickling 1600. Maybe it was something like this 1. e4 e5 2. d4 d5 3. dxe5 dxe4 4. Qxd8+ Kxd8 5. Nc3 Bf5 6. Bg5+ Ke8 7. O-O-O Nc6 8. Bb5 Rd8 9. Rxd8#

And that hasn't been working out for you or something?
Yes, its been giving me a decent game but I'm looking for something a bit stronger.

I know this sounds a little crazy but what if :
e4 e5 d4 d5!? Qh5!?
A continuation?
Uh...I think that the dxe5 dxe4 variation is more reasonable. It's not exciting stuff but you won't run into the dangers that the unsound (or so it appears) Qh5 line would take you into. Why take an unnecessary risk?

yes i agree with pikachulord6!
Fifthdimension you shouldnt make big long games like that up! Most of those moves were not great and therefore they were poor games!
You suggested Qh5 and then you show YOURSELF why it is bad.
Im not giving out to you just pointing it out to you.
Qh5 is definitely not a great move there imo.

yes i agree with pikachulord6!
Fifthdimension you shouldnt make big long games like that up! Most of those moves were not great and therefore they were poor games!
You suggested Qh5 and then you show YOURSELF why it is bad.
Im not giving out to you just pointing it out to you.
Qh5 is definitely not a great move there imo.
I didn't suggest it, I wanted to look at it. What moves would be better than?

Uh...I think that the dxe5 dxe4 variation is more reasonable. It's not exciting stuff but you won't run into the dangers that the unsound (or so it appears) Qh5 line would take you into. Why take an unnecessary risk?
Yes but the dxe5 dxe5 variation leads to the trade of queens so it doesn't look like a very exciting game. I'm just looking for a good variation...
@FifthDimension: I'm sorry if I wasn't clear, but listen to yourself: Exciting and good are not synonyms! Not all good variations are sharp nor are all sharp variations good. What I meant was that 3.exd4 and 4.Qxd8+ are probably the best moves out there. You might not think it's fun, but interestingly enough, I don't exactly see what you mean by "not exciting". There aren't any queens, but Black cannot castle and you can take advantage of the exchange of queens by quickly developing your queenside and castling queenside. Obviously what you can do depends also on what your opponent plays but I'll make this clear: If I could choose between the initial position and the one after 4.Qxd8+, I would choose the queenless position.
Let me know where you get confused; I'm not the greatest at explaining stuff. My impression is that you feel that a position needs queens to be good and that without queens, it's drawish and boring. Although a trade of queens can sometimes lead to a drawish game, I do not think that this is one of those cases.

@FifthDimension: I'm sorry if I wasn't clear, but listen to yourself: Exciting and good are not synonyms! Not all good variations are sharp nor are all sharp variations good. What I meant was that 3.exd4 and 4.Qxd8+ are probably the best moves out there. You might not think it's fun, but interestingly enough, I don't exactly see what you mean by "not exciting". There aren't any queens, but Black cannot castle and you can take advantage of the exchange of queens by quickly developing your queenside and castling queenside. Obviously what you can do depends also on what your opponent plays but I'll make this clear: If I could choose between the initial position and the one after 4.Qxd8+, I would choose the queenless position.
Let me know where you get confused; I'm not the greatest at explaining stuff. My impression is that you feel that a position needs queens to be good and that without queens, it's drawish and boring. Although a trade of queens can sometimes lead to a drawish game, I do not think that this is one of those cases.
I'm going to go play some "Fried Liver Attack" games, maybe I can stir up some excitment there.
The Fried Liver Attack is always fun. If you're interested in games that nearly always have a bit of an exciting aspect to it, you should probably steer in the "gambit" direction. The King's Gambit, Halloween Gambit, and of course, the Fried Liver Attack all fit that description.
I'm actually curious as to why you like playing 2.d4. Were you intending on playing the Danish Gambit or were you looking to play the Scotch? Either way, you should know that there will always be people out there who will play off-beat variations to drive you nuts, no matter what your opening choice is. Generally, I like finding a way to steer the game back to my taste (exciting and aggressive). If I can't do so, I have to make a key decision: Is the move so frequent and so annoying that I would rather change my opening than adapt to it?

The Fried Liver Attack is always fun. If you're interested in games that nearly always have a bit of an exciting aspect to it, you should probably steer in the "gambit" direction. The King's Gambit, Halloween Gambit, and of course, the Fried Liver Attack all fit that description.
I'm actually curious as to why you like playing 2.d4. Were you intending on playing the Danish Gambit or were you looking to play the Scotch? Either way, you should know that there will always be people out there who will play off-beat variations to drive you nuts, no matter what your opening choice is. Generally, I like finding a way to steer the game back to my taste (exciting and aggressive). If I can't do so, I have to make a key decision: Is the move so frequent and so annoying that I would rather change my opening than adapt to it?
Danish, its probably my favorite opening...
Okay, I see where you're coming from then. After 2...d5, you will get nothing remotely close to a Danish, but how often do you encounter it anyway? Frankly, I don't see why White can't get a nice attacking game:
And the reason I never got too into the Danish was because of 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.c3 and then 3...d5, which sort of prevents the nice attacking game that 3...dxc3 and 4...cxb2 would normally give White. 2...d5 I never really considered a problem and hadn't even heard of anyone having played it until you mentioned it in this thread.
An interesting game that begins 1.e4 e5 2.d4 d5: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/retitartakower.html
I believe Capablanca also had a game in New York in 1918 that started the same way.
What's most interesting is that most of the results I get from googling "1.e4 e5 2.d4 d5" are in fact typos which should read "1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5".