English Defense versus the English Opening
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1.c4 This is the English Opening. Why not try to beat it by the English Defense? 1...b6! The English Defense is born! Black provokes white to move his d- and e-pawns and then attack it with Bb7, e6, Bb4, and f5. Sometimes you may play Qh4. This defense is played by grandmasters Morozevich, Speelman, Keene, and Miles. It leads to exciting and interesting middlegames. 2. d4 The most common retort. 2...Bb7. (2...e6?! is slightly inaccurate because of 3.e4 Bb7 4. Bd3! and black has no pin after Bb4.) 3.Nc3 (3.f3?! f5 is better for black if he doesn't allow e4) 3...e6 4.e4 Bb4! 5.f3 f5! 6.exf5 Nh6! This is an interesting gambit line of this defense. Black develops quickly while white, left with some weaknesses and being undeveloped, can easily make a mistake and lose the game, though with perfect play for both sides, it leads to a draw. 7. fxe6 Nf5!
If 7. Bxh6 then Qh4+.
If 7. Bxh6 then Qh4+.
Then look at 7.fxe6 Nf5. Black threatens Qh4 so Nge2 or Bf4 may be played. But greedy players capture the d7-pawn.Those look for trouble after Nxd7 when black is even more developed.
Then look at 7.fxe6 Nf5. Black threatens Qh4 so Nge2 or Bf4 may be played. But greedy players capture the d7-pawn.Those look for trouble after Nxd7 when black is even more developed.
robertjames_perez wrote:
Sorry for repeating. It is an accident
If 7. Bxh6 then Qh4+.
robertjames_perez wrote:
Sorry for here also because I repeated it accidentally
Then look at 7.fxe6 Nf5. Black threatens Qh4 so Nge2 or Bf4 may be played. But greedy players capture the d7-pawn.Those look for trouble after Nxd7 when black is even more developed.
well, all this is given by Simon Williams (with many more informations...), in his video series on english defence.
On chess.com...
It is indeed a very good defence, though a bit dodgy. 
Even though, I still use it, IM Poucin
I think it is balanced and equal.
Dec 11, 2017
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Eingorn in "A solid rep with e6" suggests this particular form of the english defense too, after 1.d4 e6 2c4 Bb4ch 3Nc3 b6. Seems quite playable. His other suggestion of 3...c5 leads to Nimzo Indian like play but anyway from more well-known theory.
TwoMove wrote:
2.e4! and if you are not a French Defense player, I do not recommend it.
Eingorn in "A solid rep with e6" suggests this particular form of the english defense too, after 1.d4 e6 2c4 Bb4ch 3Nc3 b6. Seems quite playable. His other suggestion of 3...c5 leads to Nimzo Indian like play but anyway from more well-known theory.
Dec 11, 2017
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In my opinion, it's a good weapon for blitz, etc, but in standard, it's virtually useless. You usually get inferior versions of the nimzo or queen's indian defenses, and if playing by principle, white gets a very nice game, whilst forcing black to concede a lot from his position.
Dec 12, 2017
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#14
robertjames_perez wrote:
TwoMove wrote:
Eingorn in "A solid rep with e6" suggests this particular form of the english defense too, after 1.d4 e6 2c4 Bb4ch 3Nc3 b6. Seems quite playable. His other suggestion of 3...c5 leads to Nimzo Indian like play but anyway from more well-known theory.
2.e4! and if you are not a French Defense player, I do not recommend it.
I've played the french defense for years, but the main point was to show there was a reasonable book source for the version of english defense avoiding bd3 line.
bvila19 wrote:
Well, it leads to dynamic equal positions. It is not useless. It is also different from those openings. ...f5. It should not lead to Indian Defenses. It leads to reversed Larsen, which is a solid opening, and even more when black plays c4 in this opening b3. So 1.c4 b6 is inverted b3 c5
In my opinion, it's a good weapon for blitz, etc, but in standard, it's virtually useless. You usually get inferior versions of the nimzo or queen's indian defenses, and if playing by principle, white gets a very nice game, whilst forcing black to concede a lot from his position.
bvila19 wrote:
Well, it leads to dynamic equal positions. It is not useless. It is also different from those openings. ...f5. It should not lead to Indian Defenses. It leads to reversed Larsen, which is a solid opening, and even more when black plays c4 in this opening b3. So 1.c4 b6 is inverted b3 c5
In my opinion, it's a good weapon for blitz, etc, but in standard, it's virtually useless. You usually get inferior versions of the nimzo or queen's indian defenses, and if playing by principle, white gets a very nice game, whilst forcing black to concede a lot from his position.
bvila19 wrote:
Well, it leads to dynamic equal positions. It is not useless. It is also different from those openings. ...f5. It should not lead to Indian Defenses. It leads to reversed Larsen, which is a solid opening, and even more when black plays c4 in this opening b3. So 1.c4 b6 is inverted b3 c5
In my opinion, it's a good weapon for blitz, etc, but in standard, it's virtually useless. You usually get inferior versions of the nimzo or queen's indian defenses, and if playing by principle, white gets a very nice game, whilst forcing black to concede a lot from his position.
bvila19 wrote:
Well, it leads to dynamic equal positions. It is not useless. It is also different from those openings. ...f5. It should not lead to Indian Defenses. It leads to reversed Larsen, which is a solid opening, and even more when black plays c4 in this opening b3. So 1.c4 b6 is inverted b3 c5
In my opinion, it's a good weapon for blitz, etc, but in standard, it's virtually useless. You usually get inferior versions of the nimzo or queen's indian defenses, and if playing by principle, white gets a very nice game, whilst forcing black to concede a lot from his position.
Sorry for repeating many times
Dec 13, 2017
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#20
robertjames_perez wrote:
bvila19 wrote:
In my opinion, it's a good weapon for blitz, etc, but in standard, it's virtually useless. You usually get inferior versions of the nimzo or queen's indian defenses, and if playing by principle, white gets a very nice game, whilst forcing black to concede a lot from his position.
Well, it leads to dynamic equal positions. It is not useless. It is also different from those openings. ...f5. It should not lead to Indian Defenses. It leads to reversed Larsen, which is a solid opening, and even more when black plays c4 in this opening b3. So 1.c4 b6 is inverted b3 c5
Well, it is a reversed Larsen with a tempo down considering that it's being played from the black side rather than from the white side. Black also has to be careful of transposing into a line of the Owen's Defence, which is against 1.e4, which f5 can usually be met with exf5 followed by Qh5+ if allowed.
Again, just playing by principle in the opening (getting space in the center, quick mobilization of the pieces, not overextending, etc.), white can get a superior position and it will be difficult for black to prove any point from his opening experiment. That's why it's usually better to play the symmetrical English, the reversed sicilian, or even a transposition into a Slav, QGD, or even a KID position, against 1. c4.