Exchange French with ...Qxd5

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ErrantDeeds

So I've been playing the French a lot over the past few months, and quite a few folks play the exchange variation. I noticed in the opening explorer that there are a handful of games with the riposte ...Qxd5:

I also heard that Nakamura sometimes played this line. What are people's views on the value of it as black? Is it automatically better to play ...exd5 instead, or are there some good ideas behind the Queen recapture?
Wou_Rem

I dunno, It looks like scandinavian I gues.

NimzoRoy

Nakumara is the 8th highest-rated player in the world. Nothing personal, but I don't think you're qualified to follow in his footsteps here, judging from your rating. 

Stick with 3...ed5 for easy equality. The FD Exchange Variation sucks ass because it allows Black to develop his "problem Bishop" ie QB with ease. 

ErrantDeeds
NimzoRoy wrote:

Nakumara is the 8th highest-rated player in the world. Nothing personal, but I don't think you're qualified to follow in his footsteps here, judging from your rating. 


Yeah, that was my thinking as well. My worry was that a super GM would have all sorts of immensly complex ideas that would be beyond me, and so I guess my question was is there value in the queen recapture in a simple 'first principals' sense. You may be right, it's probably best to stick with the pawn recapture.

Hypocrism
ErrantDeeds wrote:
NimzoRoy wrote:

Nakumara is the 8th highest-rated player in the world. Nothing personal, but I don't think you're qualified to follow in his footsteps here, judging from your rating. 


Yeah, that was my thinking as well. My worry was that a super GM would have all sorts of immensly complex ideas that would be beyond me, and so I guess my question was is there value in the queen recapture in a simple 'first principals' sense. You may be right, it's probably best to stick with the pawn recapture.


Actually, Nak just played weird openings like the warward queen attack for fun and normally in blitz, or against a weak opponent, or when trying to get out of theory. Now he is "serious" about the game, he plays things like this not any longer.

penandpaper0089

necro but whatever...

I've been looking at this but it seems like White is fine even if he does what Black wants:

It just looks like a bad Rubenstein French to me.
Aquaresque
Cons of this line are early queen development and missed opportunity to unblock lightsquared bishop. However, this line has some pros. First and foremost, it is the pressure on the d4 pawn. Also, this line is rare and therefore can be used against weaker opponents. I prefer this line for black due to its ability to add more spiciness to the dry French exchange.

I like to play French defense for black a lot, and this line can help to avoid draws and drawish lines which I personnaly despise.
 
Today I played this line against an opponent in an OTB tournament and I won that game! Although I doubt that the opening choice was more decisive factor here than my opponent's mistakes...


 



Jenium

It basically leads to a less flexible version of the Scandi where Black doesn't have the option to play Bg4. I used to play it myself sometimes to avoid the exchange French. But 2....Qxd5 is probably better.

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
penandpaper0089 wrote:

necro but whatever...

I've been looking at this but it seems like White is fine even if he does what Black wants:

 
It just looks like a bad Rubenstein French to me.

I have never investigated that line, as it simply makes no sense,

but 4.c4 should be much stronger than 4.Nc3, Bb4 Nc3 Qe4 Be3(I guess Ne2 and even Be2 are also possible, but you need Stockfish to check that), and white should be much better.

 

Qd5 is seemingly a much bigger mistake/inaccuracy than ed5, so it is possible that black has hard time holding.

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov

Psychologically, maybe, but Fischer believed just in good moves.

If black has fully equal after ed5, why take the risk with Qd5?

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov

That is the point, the position is already very close to +-

White has the first move advantage, white makes small mistake with ed5, black

returns the favour with even bigger mistake.

This line is dangerous for black, at least.

GoodKnight0BadBishop
Hi
Ra18h81

This is only tangentially related I guess. Tal presents a game in his games collection that he played when he was 12 years old against a 15 year old opponent. The opening is a possible transposition to what the OP is describing.