Fishing Pole in the Italian Game!

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edny26

I found this sweet game in the Italian Game opening where black unleash the fishing pole bait.  :)  The fishing pole is very common in the Ruy Lopez, but it can also be arrive in many other opening.  You just have to be able to spot it.

 

 

White takes the bait and Black fish out the King for a nice checkmate!!!!  :)

 

Questions:

1)  Does anybody else have any other explains of the fishing pole in the Italian Game that they can share?

2)  What's blacks best defense against the fishing pole?

3)  Can the fishing pole work if white castles queen side?

DrSpudnik

uh...check out your diagram and get back to us. Embarassed

edny26

Sorry about that I am new to this, however I just fixed it.  Embarassed

DrSpudnik

Oh yes. That's a deadly one. I have seen it in the Ruy. Be warned...this is out there lurking. Surprised

draconlord

Your best defense against the fishing pole? Just don't take the bait:D

 

Generally, pushing the h pawn two steps instead of one is a small inaccuracy, so declinging the fishing poll gives the would-be-trapped player a small advantage.

That said, I play the fishing pole when I have the chance to too. :P

We're both newbies, after all...

edny26

Hey Venci, here's the line I would play if it was me and you closed the d8-h4 diagonal:

 

 

Here's probably a better way to neurualize the fishing pole in the Italian Game:
edny26

Haha, nice one...but you can't block the diagonal  forever.  Eventually you will have to return back the piece.  Here's an example of how it may continues after the knight moves:

 

edny26

Okay, I agree the game is unclear as far as who is better.  Smile Here's how I think the line will continue in the situation you presented...by the way, g3 is too slow, black never gives white a chance to hide like a wuss:
Yes, trying this similar line against a strong player is suicidal...especially in a long time standard game.  However, call me crazy but I would still go into this line if you give me a chance.  I rather lose in a fun tactical game than a boring positional chess game.
Maybe that's why I always play the King's Gambit as White.  Tongue out
BrianWall

Hi Guys

 

Roommate Life Master Jack Young showed me the Fishing Pole 11 years ago.

 

You can learn more at

Youtube

Fishing Pole Chess

or

How To Play Chess Like An Animal

by Anthea Carson and Lynn Trochim

 

or Formation Attacks by Joel Johnson

 

or thousands of annotated Fishing Poles at

BrianWallChess@Yahoogroups.com

by the way, Jack Young also plays the Fishing Pole as White like Greco did 400 years ago - Jack calls this the Tombraider -

1 e4 e5  2 Nf3  Nc6 3 Bc4  Bc5  4  Nc3  Nf6  5 Ng5  0-0  6 d3  h6  7 h4

 

Fishing

 

You

kamus

This line doesn't work unfortunately: after 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4Nf6 4. d3 Bc5 5. O-O Ng4? White plays 6. Bxf7+ Kxf7 7. Ng5+ K-moves followed by Qxg4 and black is down a pawn in a near-lost position. Generally, the fishing pole doesn't work if  White's  light sqared bishop has a clear shot at f7.

DaveC-Westminster
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BrianWall

[Event "Europe"]

[Site "Europe"]

[Date "1620.??.??"]

[Round "?"]

[White "Greco, Gioacchino"]

[Black "NN"]

[Result "1-0"]

[ECO "C54"]

[PlyCount "18"]

[EventDate "1620.??.??"]

[EventType "match"]

[EventRounds "76"]

[EventCountry "ITA"]

[Source "ChessBase"]

[SourceDate "2000.11.22"]

 

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. Ng5 O-O 6. d3 h6 7. h4 hxg5 8. hxg5

Nh7 9. Qh5 Be7 1-0

1620 Greco Fishing Pole with White