Getting an e4-like position from queen's gambit

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Chadghktgucf

In a week I'll be playing a small tournament where each game starts from the queen's gambit to practice my QGD, but I'm an e4 player so the other half of my games I'll be clueless. I have noticed it's almost impossible to transpose to an e4 opening after c4 has been played, but is there a way to get an early e4?

Clarification: If it wasn't obvious, I'm practicing QGD from black's perspective, As an e4 player I don't need practice against the QGD

AadarshIyengar

Hmmmmm, I would say that the only thing you can hope for is a modern by the opponent lol. I would probably suggest you learn the basic ideas of the QGD and just play solid. Maybe if you have time learn the Catalan so you can limit the options your opponent has, even if it is just by a little. 

ConfusedGhoul

If you want to learn the Queen's Gambit then why would you want to transpose to an e4 position? You can get e4 and transpose to e4 openings against 1... e6, 1... d6, 1... b6, 1... g6, 1... a6 1... Nc6, 1... c5 (smith morra!)

ConfusedGhoul

and I forgot 1... c6 as well

NikkiLikeChikki
You can play the Grunfeld. It doesn’t exactly lead to e4 positions, but the games tend to be open, sharp, and tactical rather than closed and bori… err…. positional.
QuiteJanky

You can't force the Grunfeld. Furthermore it is not an opening deriving from d4, d5, c4.

NikkiLikeChikki
@sadranga the Grunfeld is 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5. You don’t immediately play d5, but if white sets up the typical QG position with pawns on d4 and c4, with a knight on c3, it most certainly be “forced.”
QuiteJanky
AadarshIyengar wrote:

Hmmmmm, I would say that the only thing you can hope for is a modern by the opponent lol. I would probably suggest you learn the basic ideas of the QGD and just play solid. Maybe if you have time learn the Catalan so you can limit the options your opponent has, even if it is just by a little. 

The Catalan is much easier to play with Black due to the extra pawn. 1 week is simply not enough time to learn a completely new opening

QuiteJanky
NikkiLikeChikki wrote:
@sadranga the Grunfeld is 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5. You don’t immediately play d5, but if white sets up the typical QG position with pawns on d4 and c4, with a knight on c3, it most certainly be “forced.”

If you are playing the Marshall defence intending on transposing to a Grunfeld you need to quit chess

DasBurner

The Exchange variation with something like nge2 h3 and 0-0-0 is probably your best bet

 

Looks more in line with attacking chess rather than positional

or If you're one of those people who likes to play c3 d4 in the Italian maybe this'll be to your liking

 

Of course, none of them are going to be like the open games you get in the Max Lange attack or something similar...which is why most people just stick to either 1. d4 or e4 instead of mixing in both

NikkiLikeChikki

@sadranga - I find your comments bewildering. The Marshall is something completely different. Please copy 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 and paste it into google before telling me that I'm giving you moves from the Marshall.

ThrillerFan
NikkiLikeChikki wrote:

@sadranga - I find your comments bewildering. The Marshall is something completely different. Please copy 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 and paste it into google before telling me that I'm giving you moves from the Marshall.

 

I doubt you understood at all what he was getting at!

 

If you are playing a Queen's Gambit Thematic (1.d4 d5 2.c4) and you are normally a Grunfeld player as Black, to do something as stupid as playing 2...Nf6 (The Marshall Defense, which is highly dubious, 3.cxd5! with a large advantage for White!) WITH THE INTENTION OF MEETING 3.Nc3 with 3...g6, WHICH WOULD BE A DIRECT TRANSPOSITION TO THE GRUNFELD DEFENSE, and you actually try to do something this stupid to attempt to steer the game to a Grunfeld, then yes, you should quit chess!

 

1.d4 d5 2.c4 Nf6? 3.cxd5! (3.Nc3? g6 would be a Grunfeld, the ? for 3.Nc3 is for not taking advantage of Black's idiocy) Nxd5 4.Nf3! (Not the immediate 4.e4?!) and White has a clear advantage.

Chadghktgucf
NikkiLikeChikki wrote:
You can play the Grunfeld. It doesn’t exactly lead to e4 positions, but the games tend to be open, sharp, and tactical rather than closed and bori… err…. positional.

I can't force that, and either way after 2. Nf6 I'd rather just exchange and be simply better

Chadghktgucf
ConfusedGhoul wrote:

If you want to learn the Queen's Gambit then why would you want to transpose to an e4 position? You can get e4 and transpose to e4 openings against 1... e6, 1... d6, 1... b6, 1... g6, 1... a6 1... Nc6, 1... c5 (smith morra!)

I want to practice my QGD as black because my prep against d4 is severely limited. I have no interest in learning the QGA, slav, or counter-gambit, which comprise 2/3 of games played from the queen's gambit. The point is every game starts on move 2 with white to play/

Chadghktgucf
ThrillerFan wrote:
NikkiLikeChikki wrote:

@sadranga - I find your comments bewildering. The Marshall is something completely different. Please copy 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 and paste it into google before telling me that I'm giving you moves from the Marshall.

I doubt you understood at all what he was getting at!

 

If you are playing a Queen's Gambit Thematic (1.d4 d5 2.c4) and you are normally a Grunfeld player as Black, to do something as stupid as playing 2...Nf6 (The Marshall Defense, which is highly dubious, 3.cxd5! with a large advantage for White!) WITH THE INTENTION OF MEETING 3.Nc3 with 3...g6, WHICH WOULD BE A DIRECT TRANSPOSITION TO THE GRUNFELD DEFENSE, and you actually try to do something this stupid to attempt to steer the game to a Grunfeld, then yes, you should quit chess!

 

1.d4 d5 2.c4 Nf6? 3.cxd5! (3.Nc3? g6 would be a Grunfeld, the ? for 3.Nc3 is for not taking advantage of Black's idiocy) Nxd5 4.Nf3! (Not the immediate 4.e4?!) and White has a clear advantage.

It is a queen's gambit thematic, correct.