Hedgehog big problem

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We all know the cute little hedgehog but hes life is in danger who will help me save him from the evil bishop.rybka is no use.

it looks like black is good but the bispod can't protect the d6 pawn.

can enyone save him

LoveYouSoMuch

the hedgehog is a very strategically complex system and i'd recommend you to just stay away from it as a chess beginner. yeah, seriously.

on 1 what is your question? and on 2 i'd say that 9 Nbd7 is an inaccurate move order and 10 Qb8 already a mistake.

pps

1 not a begginer.2 my qestion is how to play after Bg5 3. i know Qb8 is a mistake never even played it any games.This with Bg5 was played by magnus carslen after that game people more often play Bg5 against me this year in tornament from 6 rounds i lost 2 one of them was with Bg5.

LoveYouSoMuch

life is easier after 9 a6. as played, maybe you could save the game with 10 h6 followed by d5, but that does not look right :<

molokombo

i'm sorry to be the one to say this pps, but if your ratings on here are even remotely accurate, you are most definitely still a beginner. this is not something to take offense at, i consider myself barely more than a beginner, if at all, and it usefull to note where you are in your development if you want to improve.

 playing really complicated opening systems like the hedgehog is probably not doing a lot to help you progress.

 

having said that, if you really enjoy playing it and are not so worried about the speed of your improvement, keep on playing it! you will undoubtedly get better at it in time, just maybe not as quickly as if you played things which are easier to understand.   

TwoMove

9Bg5 is not a new idea, have a look at Karpov v Kasparov 1981 for ideas of how to play against it. This game is annotated in several different books.

pps
pfren wrote:

Get Shipov's book on the hedgehog.

All you have to read is some 1200 pages of thick theory.

started have tried to read shipovs book its borring i like books like 

Isolani Strategy. Strengths and Weaknesses of the Isolated which are more fun they tell you how to do it show you and make you do it

pps
molokombo wrote:

i'm sorry to be the one to say this pps, but if your ratings on here are even remotely accurate, you are most definitely still a beginner. this is not something to take offense at, i consider myself barely more than a beginner, if at all, and it usefull to note where you are in your development if you want to improve.

 playing really complicated opening systems like the hedgehog is probably not doing a lot to help you progress.

 

having said that, if you really enjoy playing it and are not so worried about the speed of your improvement, keep on playing it! you will undoubtedly get better at it in time, just maybe not as quickly as if you played things which are easier to understand.   

when i started to play on chess.com i was 7 all i knew how to do is move the pices my rating was 500 stoped to play 3 years after i started to learn with a trainer and started to go to tournamments i knew my rating sucked here so i played at chesscube my rating is 1900 you can find me as "stojanovileopepe"and diceded to fix my rating here about know in my 16 year but the problem is i have to play against 50 games vs noobs to get to close to my fide rating

pps1

look new account and see my rating now chess cube is better i am here just for the forum

TheGreatOogieBoogie
pps wrote:
molokombo wrote:

i'm sorry to be the one to say this pps, but if your ratings on here are even remotely accurate, you are most definitely still a beginner. this is not something to take offense at, i consider myself barely more than a beginner, if at all, and it usefull to note where you are in your development if you want to improve.

 playing really complicated opening systems like the hedgehog is probably not doing a lot to help you progress.

 

having said that, if you really enjoy playing it and are not so worried about the speed of your improvement, keep on playing it! you will undoubtedly get better at it in time, just maybe not as quickly as if you played things which are easier to understand.   

when i started to play on chess.com i was 7 all i knew how to do is move the pices my rating was 500 stoped to play 3 years after i started to learn with a trainer and started to go to tournamments i knew my rating sucked here so i played at chesscube my rating is 1900 you can find me as "stojanovileopepe"and diceded to fix my rating here about know in my 16 year but the problem is i have to play against 50 games vs noobs to get to close to my fide rating

What is your FIDE?  If you play equal opposition then you will lose and draw some of those games.  Like someone said if your rating is an accurate reflection of your playing strength you need to learn some basic endgames (Fine's Basic Chess Endgames is good, I hear great things about Silman's Endgame book too), basic tactics, control the center, and develop. 

pps1
pfren wrote:
pps wrote:

started have tried to read shipovs book its borring i like books like 

Isolani Strategy. Strengths and Weaknesses of the Isolated which are more fun they tell you how to do it show you and make you do it

Yes, I agree. Chess can be really boring if you don't understand what you read, and you don't bother making an attempt to understand.

For the record, I do not think anyone here cares about chesscube ratings. Financial inflation in Belarus is pretty insignificant, compared to the ratings' inflation in Chesscube.

no i am not trying to brage or anything but people should not judge what they find from chess.com i all wanted to find way to deal with bg5 and people insted of telling what is the book line the went you a beginner why dont you play the italian game i  now this arent the correct words but to lazy to copy paste so plz anyone answer

PhoenixTTD
pps wrote:
pfren wrote:

Get Shipov's book on the hedgehog.

All you have to read is some 1200 pages of thick theory.

started have tried to read shipovs book its borring

If you have the book, can't you look up the answer?  I am sorry but I don't play this opening. 

waffllemaster
pps1 wrote:

i all wanted to find way to deal with bg5

You already got very good advice.  Study Kasparov Karpov games featuring this line and Shipov's book.

 

pps wrote:
it looks like black is good but the bispod can't protect the d6 pawn.

can enyone save him

Ok, here are the basics.  d6 is easy to defend, Black plays Be7 to protect the d pawn.  Meanwhile white denies the d5 and b5 breaks while black has trouble even finishing development.  White will pressure black at his leisure while black uses his immense strategic and technical knowledge to not fall into a lost position.

Eventually white picks his moment to break through and black will have prepared for it by knowing which endgame positions he is able to draw and which he will lose.

Next follows a long endgame.

Finally, after overcoming practical difficulties immense enough to squash an amateur 3 times over, black can proudly claim his hard earned draw.

In short:

LoveYouSoMuch wrote:

the hedgehog is a very strategically complex system and i'd recommend you to just stay away from it as a chess beginner. yeah, seriously.

pps1
PhoenixTTD wrote:
pps wrote:
pfren wrote:

Get Shipov's book on the hedgehog.

All you have to read is some 1200 pages of thick theory.

started have tried to read shipovs book its borring

If you have the book, can't you look up the answer?  I am sorry but I don't play this opening. 

the book is not werry well organizde and or clear to read and yes have viewed kasparov games wear in the same match tries it almost always vs kasparov c4 but it gets simplifeid weary quicly and draws plus ok lets say i am a amature i only now how to move the pices the hedgehog will teach me about strategy princeples and how to form a strategic plan oppenings should not be played to win tell me does anyone of you knew how to attack on the qeenside before looking at the bennoni

TheGreatOogieBoogie

11.Qf4 and 11.Qd3 are more critical, especially 11.Qf4.  If you want to know why certain moves are played then I'll try explaining here but I'm no expert in this opening so I'm just going by general chess principles and logic here:


I feel I learned a lot studying this opening for a bit!  By no means exhaustive, and better players than I have researched it, but that's my impression, and so many possible routes and situations must be known, especially on dealing with a knight on d6 and their potential c5 outposts if white goes for that kind of play.  Preventing it though can lead white to find active play elsewhere.  Like many have said, a complicated opening, though I suppose that's a large part of its appeal.