Here is a Fischer game with ...Bc5
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Fighting the Sicilian With The Grand Prix Attack...
https://www.chess.com/blog/RussBell/fighting-the-sicilian-with-the-grand-prix-attack
May 9, 2021
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#4
4.Bg2 is your first mistake.
No matter how you get there:
1.c4 e5 2.g3 Nc6 3.Nc3 (ALWAYS follow ...Nc6 with Nc3, and for this reason actually) f5 4.Bg2?
1.c4 Nc6 2.Nc3 e5 3.g3 f5 4.Bg2?
Problem is, 4...Nf6! And White has NOTHING!
When Black plays both an early e5 and early f5, you have to change your tune.
1.c4 e5 2.g3 Nc6 3.Nc3 f5 and now 4.Nf3!!, answering 4...Nf6 with 5.d4!!
After the most common move, 5...e4, you reply 6.Nh4! (Now you may be starting to see why 4.Bg2 is a blunder, if the Bishop is on g2, then ...d6 and ...g5 would trap the knight!).
Now it all depends on what Black does. If he plays ...g6, you build pressure on f5 and g6.
If he plays d6 and g5, then the Knight goes to g2 and White goes for a timely h4, usually at a time that Black must either take on h4 or else advance to g4, both of which give the White Knight a beautiful outpost on f4.
The Bishop is developed classically in this line, usually to e2. Not fianchettoed, despite the g3 advance.
May 9, 2021
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#5
ThrillerFan skrev:
4.Bg2 is your first mistake.
No matter how you get there:
1.c4 e5 2.g3 Nc6 3.Nc3 (ALWAYS follow ...Nc6 with Nc3, and for this reason actually) f5 4.Bg2?
1.c4 Nc6 2.Nc3 e5 3.g3 f5 4.Bg2?
Problem is, 4...Nf6! And White has NOTHING!
When Black plays both an early e5 and early f5, you have to change your tune.
1.c4 e5 2.g3 Nc6 3.Nc3 f5 and now 4.Nf3!!, answering 4...Nf6 with 5.d4!!
After the most common move, 5...e4, you reply 6.Nh4! (Now you may be starting to see why 4.Bg2 is a blunder, if the Bishop is on g2, then ...d6 and ...g5 would trap the knight!).
Now it all depends on what Black does. If he plays ...g6, you build pressure on f5 and g6.
If he plays d6 and g5, then the Knight goes to g2 and White goes for a timely h4, usually at a time that Black must either take on h4 or else advance to g4, both of which give the White Knight a beautiful outpost on f4.
The Bishop is developed classically in this line, usually to e2. Not fianchettoed, despite the g3 advance.
Interesting notations!
This post was made for blacks perspective but putting it in perspective is always good! When I did my research I also found the Nf3, e4 Nh4 line, but in my eyes I viewed it as a sideline, but I may have to look into the line more after reading your comment.
Anyway, the lines above is what is being played the most, regardless of its theoretical soundness.
Hello everyone!
I have played against the English historically with success, but recently I have had trouble with the middlegames occurring. My move order goes as follow: 1.c4 Nc6 2. Nc3 e5 3.g3 f4 4.Bg2 Nf3 5.e3 g6 with a kingside fianchetto as black. The problem for me is that these positions resemble a weird king's indian setup which I do not like. I don't have any problem with the king's indian as an opening, its just that it is too mainstream for me. I tend to enjoy offbeat but playable stuff, such as the chigorin, alekihine, owens defence and such. Therefore I have decided to replace the bishop to either b4 or c5. I think this variation fits me because I do play the closed sicilian as white. But I only play the grand prix attack if I can trade my bishop for a doubled c-pawn or the opponent's bishop.
I was wondering if anyone has experience playing this as either white or black, if you guys have any opinions about where to put the bishop and how to play the opening/middlegame etc. As I understand it, putting the bishop on c5 is a sharper variation than b4, however, b4 is objectively better, and I do have experience playing Bb5 grand prix as white. Check the diagram below for visualization.