How do you destroy the London opening

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marat

I want to know how to destroy the London system because it is really annoying

sidespaghetti
Against 2.Bf4, play the Steinitz Countergambit with 2…c5

If you’re worried about facing a standard London as well, rather than just the Accelerated London, you could play c5 against 2.Nf3 as well, which is the Krause Variation of the Queen’s Pawn Game

There’s probably other ways too, but those are the most forceful. They won’t destroy the London Opening, but they’ll cause some damage to the standard London structure with could help to make it less annoying to play against. The early c5 also facilitates an eventual queenside attack, regardless of if they take the pawn or not
marat

Thank you

chessterd5

Three key moves for black in the London are Bf5, c5 and Qb6.

Ethan_Brollier

And no matter what White’s next move is, Qb6. Easiest way to equalize against the London.

iceyww

I play nf6 sooo

Laskersnephew

The London is a very sound system. You are not going to "destroy" it

pleewo

Can’t really destroy the opening as the person above me said. But I would recommend either a system with e6, c5. Or immediate c5 Qb6

slayerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

You can't really "destroy* it but what I do is I try to make some weird moves to take them out of their comfort zone, even if it's bad for me I'm still more comfortable than the london player

alphaous
Ethan_Brollier wrote:

And no matter what White’s next move is, Qb6. Easiest way to equalize against the London.

Ah yes, dxc5 Qb6 is a rly interesting line

exceptionalfork

I think 2...c5 is the best. Here's some lines to it.

If white plays 2.Nf3 first, I play it in a slightly different move order:

But yes, you will not just be able to destroy the London System if white knows how to play it, since it's very sound and solid.
 
newbie4711
exceptionalfork wrote:

I think 2...c5 is the best. Here's some lines to it.

If white plays 2.Nf3 first, I play it in a slightly different move order:

But yes, you will not just be able to destroy the London System if white knows how to play it, since it's very sound and solid.
 

What do you think about 6. Na3 ?

Ethan_Brollier
newbie4711 wrote:
exceptionalfork wrote:

I think 2...c5 is the best. Here's some lines to it.

If white plays 2.Nf3 first, I play it in a slightly different move order:

But yes, you will not just be able to destroy the London System if white knows how to play it, since it's very sound and solid.
 

What do you think about 6. Na3 ?

It’s good if Black takes, but Black doesn’t have to, and then your knight is stranded on a terrible square, and there isn’t a whole lot of room for improvement either, c2 is terrible, and c4 or b5 are protected.

exceptionalfork
newbie4711 wrote:
exceptionalfork wrote:

I think 2...c5 is the best. Here's some lines to it.

If white plays 2.Nf3 first, I play it in a slightly different move order:

But yes, you will not just be able to destroy the London System if white knows how to play it, since it's very sound and solid.
 

What do you think about 6. Na3 ?

When I used to regularly play the London, I pretty much never saw 6.Na3, so I just didn't mention it.

But yeah, as @Ethan_Brollier mentioned, black doesn't have to take. 6...c4 and black is doing fine.

Ethan_Brollier
exceptionalfork wrote:
newbie4711 wrote:
exceptionalfork wrote:

I think 2...c5 is the best. Here's some lines to it.

If white plays 2.Nf3 first, I play it in a slightly different move order:

But yes, you will not just be able to destroy the London System if white knows how to play it, since it's very sound and solid.
 

What do you think about 6. Na3 ?

When I used to regularly play the London, I pretty much never saw 6.Na3, so I just didn't mention it.

But yeah, as @Ethan_Brollier mentioned, black doesn't have to take. 6...c4 and black is doing fine.

Lol after 6… c4 one of White’s ideas might be an eventual Qc1 Nb1 Nbd2 to reroute the knight.

newbie4711

After c4 I saved in my database this line (can't remember what source that was from).

exceptionalfork
newbie4711 wrote:

After c4 I saved in my database this line (can't remember what source that was from).

Interesting line, I'll look into it.

omwtonm
Ethan_Brollier wrote:

And no matter what White’s next move is, Qb6. Easiest way to equalize against the London.

1.dxc5 Qb6 2.cxb6 bye bye queen

MaetsNori

A tricky but fun way to play against the London is to adopt a Hedgehog/Queen's Indian structure and go for ...Re8, ...Bf8.

I learned about this after seeing Carlsen do it a few times.

From here, Black has the flexibility to prepare a pawn break on e5, d5, or even b5 ... depending on what White plays.

An example continuation of how White can go wrong fast:

It's not the easiest way to play against the London ... it's actually a bit challenging. But it's also challenging for White, too. Especially when a lot of London players are used to having the e5 square as an outpost.

adityasaxena4
sidespaghetti wrote:
Against 2.Bf4, play the Steinitz Countergambit with 2…c5
If you’re worried about facing a standard London as well, rather than just the Accelerated London, you could play c5 against 2.Nf3 as well, which is the Krause Variation of the Queen’s Pawn Game
There’s probably other ways too, but those are the most forceful. They won’t destroy the London Opening, but they’ll cause some damage to the standard London structure with could help to make it less annoying to play against. The early c5 also facilitates an eventual queenside attack, regardless of if they take the pawn or not

Against 2.c5 white could play 3.c4 and turn it into a fusion of a London , Queens Gambit and Reversed QGD : Austrian Variation . This would reignite the Queens Gambit Opening Trap only much better and faster as 1.d4 d5 2.Bf4 c5 3.c4 dxc4 4.e3 b5 5.Qf3 Nc6 6.Qxc6+ Bd7 7.Qxc5