Hey there @GenericAvocado, that's a pretty interesting question.
I'm not sure what the 150 attack is, haven't ever heard of such an attack in chess, but definitely curious in case anyone knows and would be willing to share.
How Does the 150 Attack Work?
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Wind wrote:
Hey there @GenericAvocado, that's a pretty interesting question.
I'm not sure what the 150 attack is, haven't ever heard of such an attack in chess, but definitely curious in case anyone knows and would be willing to share.
Sorry, I should've provided more info
It's basically this position
I think it has something to do with trading off the fianchettoed bishop, but I'm not sure of anything else
It's a classical attack against a castled king behind a fianchetto, which also happens in the Dragon, the King's Indian Sämisch and (more rarely) the Grünfeld.
Recipe :
a) play Bh6 and trade the Bg7
b) push the h pawn (sometimes the g pawn as well) to open the h file
c) remove the Nf6 somehow
d) land the queen on h6 then h7
e) win the game
Naturally it almost never goes that way til the end, Black is supposed to do something meanwhile.
For a clear-cut example, see Karpov - Korchnoi 1974 match (it was a Sicilian Dragon).
The 150 Attack is a mainline often used against the Pirc Defense.
On move 4, White has few different mainline moves they can play.
4. f4 - Australian Attack was favorite of Bobby Fischer.
4. Nf3 - Classical Variation played by many Grand Masters.
4. Be3 - Is the Key move which sets the 150 Attack into motion.
However, The move 4.Be3 isn’t considered to be the starting position of the 150 Attack which makes things complicated.
Officially, The starting position is the following set of moves.
Chess.com even has an opening section with the 150 attack.
https://www.chess.com/openings/Pirc-Defense-Main-Line-150-Attack
Those are the book moves which essentially lead to the 150 Attack.
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From a White side chess perspective, The above position isn’t what you want.
To understand why the above position isn’t what white wants, we need to understand what White opening is trying to Accomplish.
The Logic behind the 150 Attack is similar to other Chess lines
- Yugoslav Attack
- English Attack
- King's Indian Sämisch Attack
The plan of the 150 Attack is to Checkmate Black in a very violent & aggressive manner.
White aims to accomplish the above plan the following ways:
1. White aims is to create a Queen + Bishop Battery in order to trade off Black Bishop on g7.
2. White aims to create a Kingside Pawn storm with moves like g4 + h4.
3. White aims to castle Queenside so his King is safe out of danger.
4. White aims to checkmate Black on H file.
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White 150 attack in theory is amazing.
If Black has no clue what White is doing, They will walk straight into a barrage of attacks which is so overwhelming that they will not survive.
If Black knows what white is doing, They will often do a preventative attack on White Queen side.
Black will know White is going to pawn storm Kingside + Castle Queenside.
So Black will begin attacking the area the White King will eventually go to.
This is why the starting position of the 150 attack is bad.
Observe, Black didn’t play Bg7.
Black played c6 which helps support a b5 pawn push.
This indicates the “Black” side player knows what is going on.
When Black is aware of what white is doing, It is extremely difficult to get the ideal attack.
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In addition, the 150 attack has a very unique nuance which set it apart from other Kingside pawn storm lines which I have never really enjoyed.
Most lines doing a Kingside pawn storm will eventually play f3.
The move f3 helps enable a g4 pawn push and the move f3 helps prevent a Ng4 move attacking the Dark Bishop on e3.
The 150 Attack doesn’t always have the move f3.
I have always liked the move f3, but I have seen many games were players playing the 150 attack don’t play f3.
Instead, they play the Bg5 retreating line which I have never been a fan of.
It is considered good for White, but it doesn’t seem to have the same attacking feel.
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From my personal experience, The answer to your question is you don’t really want to reach the 150 attack position.
You will have tons of fun and you will get tons of wins
BUT those wins will come from errors and non-150 attack positions.
The above position for example
Black didn’t play c6 to begin a preventative Queen side attack.
Black played Bg7 a normal development move trying to castle.
This position might not reach the book position of the 150 attack.
Most game reviews will also not consider this position a 150 attack.
This is the sort of thing which makes the situation complicated and difficult to learn.
29 days ago
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#7
Compadre_J wrote:
The 150 Attack is a mainline often used against the Pirc Defense.
On move 4, White has few different mainline moves they can play.
4. f4 - Australian Attack was favorite of Bobby Fischer.
4. Nf3 - Classical Variation played by many Grand Masters.
4. Be3 - Is the Key move which sets the 150 Attack into motion.
However, The move 4.Be3 isn’t considered to be the starting position of the 150 Attack which makes things complicated.
Officially, The starting position is the following set of moves.
Chess.com even has an opening section with the 150 attack.
https://www.chess.com/openings/Pirc-Defense-Main-Line-150-Attack
Those are the book moves which essentially lead to the 150 Attack.
—————————————
From a White side chess perspective, The above position isn’t what you want.
To understand why the above position isn’t what white wants, we need to understand what White opening is trying to Accomplish.
The Logic behind the 150 Attack is similar to other Chess lines
- Yugoslav Attack
- English Attack
- King's Indian Sämisch Attack
The plan of the 150 Attack is to Checkmate Black in a very violent & aggressive manner.
White aims to accomplish the above plan the following ways:
1. White aims is to create a Queen + Bishop Battery in order to trade off Black Bishop on g7.
2. White aims to create a Kingside Pawn storm with moves like g4 + h4.
3. White aims to castle Queenside so his King is safe out of danger.
4. White aims to checkmate Black on H file.
———————————————
White 150 attack in theory is amazing.
If Black has no clue what White is doing, They will walk straight into a barrage of attacks which is so overwhelming that they will not survive.
If Black knows what white is doing, They will often do a preventative attack on White Queen side.
Black will know White is going to pawn storm Kingside + Castle Queenside.
So Black will begin attacking the area the White King will eventually go to.
This is why the starting position of the 150 attack is bad.
Observe, Black didn’t play Bg7.
Black played c6 which helps support a b5 pawn push.
This indicates the “Black” side player knows what is going on.
When Black is aware of what white is doing, It is extremely difficult to get the ideal attack.
———————————————
In addition, the 150 attack has a very unique nuance which set it apart from other Kingside pawn storm lines which I have never really enjoyed.
Most lines doing a Kingside pawn storm will eventually play f3.
The move f3 helps enable a g4 pawn push and the move f3 helps prevent a Ng4 move attacking the Dark Bishop on e3.
The 150 Attack doesn’t always have the move f3.
I have always liked the move f3, but I have seen many games were players playing the 150 attack don’t play f3.
Instead, they play the Bg5 retreating line which I have never been a fan of.
It is considered good for White, but it doesn’t seem to have the same attacking feel.
———————————————
From my personal experience, The answer to your question is you don’t really want to reach the 150 attack position.
You will have tons of fun and you will get tons of wins
BUT those wins will come from errors and non-150 attack positions.
The above position for example
Black didn’t play c6 to begin a preventative Queen side attack.
Black played Bg7 a normal development move trying to castle.
This position might not reach the book position of the 150 attack.
Most game reviews will also not consider this position a 150 attack.
This is the sort of thing which makes the situation complicated and difficult to learn.
Very interesting. However, I never really understood how playing f3 and g4 can benefit White. Same goes for the Yugoslav Attack, I understand that f3 prevents Ng4, but g4 Doesn't seem to do much
Compadre_J escribió:
In addition, the 150 attack has a very unique nuance which set it apart from other Kingside pawn storm lines which I have never really enjoyed.
Most lines doing a Kingside pawn storm will eventually play f3.
The move f3 helps enable a g4 pawn push and the move f3 helps prevent a Ng4 move attacking the Dark Bishop on e3.
The 150 Attack doesn’t always have the move f3.
I have always liked the move f3, but I have seen many games were players playing the 150 attack don’t play f3.
Instead, they play the Bg5 retreating line which I have never been a fan of.
It is considered good for White, but it doesn’t seem to have the same attacking feel..
f3 also seems to help protect the e4 pawn, as Black often plays b5-b4, threatening Nxe4.
very useful move
Very interesting. However, I never really understood how playing f3 and g4 can benefit White. Same goes for the Yugoslav Attack, I understand that f3 prevents Ng4, but g4 Doesn't seem to do much
Sometimes if you play h4 right away to open the h file Black can reply h5 to block the pawn and have such a strong grip over g4 that White will never manage to open files in a satisfactory way. So playing g4 first removes this problem.
Also g4 can potentially make a Nf5 sac work because it opens the g file.
Two books that do an excellent job of explaining the150 Attack...(for White)...
Starting Out: d-Pawn Attacks: The Colle-Zukertort, Barry And 150 Attacks by Richard Palliser
A Killer Chess Opening Repertoire by Aaron Summerscale & Sverre Johnsen
150 Attack - YouTube...
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=150+attack+chess
29 days ago
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Nerwal wrote:
Very interesting. However, I never really understood how playing f3 and g4 can benefit White. Same goes for the Yugoslav Attack, I understand that f3 prevents Ng4, but g4 Doesn't seem to do much
Sometimes if you play h4 right away to open the h file Black can reply h5 to block the pawn and have such a strong grip over g4 that White will never manage to open files in a satisfactory way. So playing g4 first removes this problem.
Also g4 can potentially make a Nf5 sac work because it opens the g file.
Wow... Thanks for the info!
Here is the Variation I was talking about when Black plays Ng4 hunting for White Bishop.
The reason Black hunts for the Bishop is to stop White from doing the Bishop trade.
You can see how Bishop + Queen combo can try to remove Black bishop and tries to give Black an opening to checkmate.
In the above example, I didn’t play the best moves for Black. I just wanted to show you what White is trying to do.
Black can try to do better defense.
Against h4, They can try h5
You can see how Black has a lot of pieces attacking g4 so if white doesn’t prepare right Black can try to hold on to prevent their king from getting open.
Another tough defense Black has it removing White dark Bishop.
With out White Dark Bishop, Black Dark Bishop will stay alive forever and be powerful.
In the above position, I like playing f3 instead of Qd2 to prevent Ng4 and support g4 later on.
If you don’t play f3, you might have to play the Bg5 line which is the original diagram I showed.
GenericAvocado wrote:
Greetings! I have been on this wild goose chase to learn the 150 attack, but I can neither find the plans, nor how it actually attacks the opponent.
I would love to see some example games of the 150 attack, but here are my questions.
1. How does the 150 Attack work? What are the plans behind it?
2. How can I learn it?
3. Are there any games of the 150 Attack actually working?
1. It works by checkmating the king. Plan is to trade dark squared bishops, open the h-line and checkmate with queen and rook.
2. You can learn it by looking at the moves and trying to remember them.
3. You can find out by putting the moves on any chess database and looking at the games.
GenericAvocado wrote:
Wind wrote:
Hey there @GenericAvocado, that's a pretty interesting question.
I'm not sure what the 150 attack is, haven't ever heard of such an attack in chess, but definitely curious in case anyone knows and would be willing to share.
Sorry, I should've provided more info
It's basically this position
I think it has something to do with trading off the fianchettoed bishop, but I'm not sure of anything else
Umm, no, this is not the 150 Attack.
Greetings! I have been on this wild goose chase to learn the 150 attack, but I can neither find the plans, nor how it actually attacks the opponent.
I would love to see some example games of the 150 attack, but here are my questions.
1. How does the 150 Attack work? What are the plans behind it?
2. How can I learn it?
3. Are there any games of the 150 Attack actually working?