How to answer 1.e4 e5 2.d4?

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asadinator

I love to play this as white with:

1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. Nf3!!!!!

Then c5 4.Bc4 Nf6 5.Ng5!!!!!

or c5 4.Bc4 b5 5.Bd5!!!!!

 

Love it

asadinator

1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. Nf3 c5 4. Bc4 h6 5. Ne5

 

Thank you very much.

asadinator

Nice action early on


moonnie
Zenpocalypse

I do not think 9.h3 is anything like the mainline, above.

White historically scores pretty well with 9.a3, forcing black to choose whether to give up the bishop pair with the center already wide open, or to retreat, ensuring a gain of tempo against the rook.  With best play, black is probably =, but white's side is a lot easier to play, and the numbers OTB from that position seem to back that up.  Especially below GM level.

I think the stuff with ...g6 is a harder nut to crack.

Iuvavum

@#30 I think I wouldn't play 3 ... c5 as black there.

I would prefer to play 

1.e4 e5, 2.d4 exd4, 3.Nf3 Nc6 that simply transposes to some Scotch.

and also consider to play

1.e4 e5, 2.d4 exd4, 3.Nf3 Bb4+!? winning a pawn, white gets some compensation for it though.

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And about the normal Center Game game

1.e4 e5, 2.d4 if you really don't want to play 2 ... exd4, which is probably the easiest way to equality, and may even require some accuracy from white already to hold the balance , I think the only acceptable alternative is 2 ... Nc6 transposing to some kind of Niemzowitsch Defence.

Here white has the options of transposing to Scotch 3.Nf3, playing 3.d5 or 3.dxe5, I think Black should get playable against all of those continuations.

moonnie

After 9. a3 black can just play 9. .. Ba5 keeping the bishop and the pin. After a move like b4 black just plays Rg4 and after that Bb6 and with the weakend white king there is no way white even claim equality. On a move like Bd3 black can play Rg4 and depending where the queen goes Ne5 or d5. 

Btw my chessbase gives that black scores really really good after Ba5 (white scores 37% and black 52% with a rating avg of 2261) so i do not see where you got your OTB results

bigmac30

what you are getting out of it is centre game. I people try to chicken out of it with the Philodor or pirc you get very similar postions and you start playing150 attack barry attack and so on simples.

GMVillads

Just play 2...exd4 3. Qxd4 (some plays ther center gambit c3) Nc6

duck_and_cover

I once played 2...Qh4 in a blitz game but don't try it at home ;-)

EricFleet

2. .. exd4 is pretty well mandaded. If White gives you a gift like this and you do not take it, I am not sure any "system" is going to help you.

Essentially White forfeits his first move advantage without compensation. Why turn away such a gift?

 

Edit: Sorry, did not realize this was a zombie thread

asadinator
pfren wrote:
CumminsTomic wrote

Nice action early on

In common terms this is called "hope chess", not "nice action".

Playing lines after 3.Nf3 is logical as:

- It means you are not behind in development, as Qxd4 just wastes a tempo if you plan on returning the Queen.

- Lots of tricks you can play if your opponent is not careful, but you must be well prepared yourself.

So it is a prefectly legit move in quick games. Certainly makes more sense than Qxd4 in my opinion.

bigmac30

my most sucesssful lines invove an early d5 c6 and night e5 from there you are just playing chess so just take the centre game on if you are better you will win even against strong attackers

StrategicPlay

First of all, 3. Qxd4 will most likely never come, but instead 3. Nf3, considering in the Scandinavian 2...Qxd5 is not so popular as 2...Nf6. 

arbustos
PeskyGnat

Interesting line! though Black would likely need to also be prepared against  3. Nf3 (http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/games/java/2008/petroff-d4.htm)

dpnorman

3...Qe7 is a nice way to decline it, although if white doesn't know his theory, he may just end up down a pawn without compensation. I beat a near-expert with it at the Baltimore Open two weekends ago.

kitifolen

completely agree with estragon,

MickinMD
Estragon wrote:

If you don't like Black's game after 1 e4 e5  2 d4 exd4  3 Qxd4 Nc6, I suggest you take up some other game.  Chess is probably not your cup o' tea.

Black is already ahead in development at move THREE.  Plus, White's Queen will be exposed almost anywhere it moves.  These things should have your mouth watering as Black. 

I agree. I love it when my opponent sticks his queen in the middle of the board for me to chase around as I develop.

Krownyh

How many times will this be necroe'd?

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